A `Very Dire' Time For Women (Trees And Things)

Iunebrave: Re: A `Very Dire' Time For Women

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Nekiihrac: Re: A `Very Dire' Time For Women

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Ramasoonedith: Re: A `Very Dire' Time For Women

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Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:52:46 EST

Hi Thalia!

I'm not defending it, just telling you what I'm reading.

Thalia: Re: the "come to Jesus" moment

Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:20:11 EST

Come on now, blaming something that happened 5-10 years before for a depression? I'm not buying it. Have you ever heard of such a depression trigger? Except in cases of suppressed memory, I cannot imagine being fine with something for 5-1

tomc: Re: the "come to Jesus" moment

Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:54:05 EST

Interesting. Thanks, Thalia.

I know two women who suffered from serious depression after having an abortion.

I know one woman who has had (last time I saw here, which was over 20 years ago) 4 abortions, and didn't seem affected. But the g

Thalia: Re: the "come to Jesus" moment

Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:30:29 EST

At least half of new mothers get the baby blues, a mild form of depression that begins a few days or a week after delivery and usually lasts no more than two weeks. True postpartum depression can last from two weeks to a year. It is less common, affecting

tomc: Re: Are you serious?

Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:03:57 EST

Are you saying that women ought to just shut up and accept the fact that people (who don't occupy that middle ground you so prize) are dedicated to eradicate their access to abortions.
. . . .
you never started thinking before you started

tomc: Re: the "come to Jesus" moment

Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:49:43 EST
(weird. I thought I had replied to this yesterday...)
I know a bit about post partum, having experienced it 2nd hand.
Is it true that percentage-wise more women suffer from post partum after giving birth than women suffering from depression aft

nmiguy: Re: A `Very Dire' Time For Women

Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:20:40 EST
I respectfully disagree with using hyperbolic rhetoric on an issue as heated as abortion. This goes for both sides in the debate.
That's the short version. There can be no reasoned debate on the issue without respect and openness to each ot

nmiguy: Re: Are you serious?

Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:13:47 EST
Bob I am not saying that at all.
I am saying that it isn't the end of the world. I am saying that pro-choice advocates are showing real fear that their position is challenged. They are confident they are in the right here, they can fi

stevetherobot: Re: the "come to Jesus" moment

Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:43:33 EST
Georgette Forney, the head of a national group for women who wish they could undo their abortion decision, says she knows of many women who submitted petitions to Ms. saying their abortion decision was something that plagued them the rest of their lives

MayorBob: Re: Are you serious?

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:07:39 EST
True enough. I guess in the midst of all that patronizing "don't worry your dear little heads" mumbo jumbo I missed that piece of nonsense.

ms sue: Re: Are you serious?

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:57:35 EST
If you oppose abortion because you believe that God finds it offensive or because it's a moral offense, please use that line of reasoning.
Well, he did sneak this in:
It is important, but no more "very dire" for women than it is for fetu

MayorBob: Are you serious?

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:38:10 EST
The quote "very dire" was a direct quote from Ellie Smeal. The topic is abortion, thus it shouldn't have come as a shock to you that this is what the write up is about. I find it telling that you choose the word "hysterical" to describe my head

Thalia: Re: A `Very Dire' Time For Women

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:10:43 EST
Short form: Be glad you're not in Iraq or Afghanistan, where it's really dire for women. Merely losing the right to abortions (and to contraception, which has been painted as the next target of these folks) isn't that bad.
And while I

ms sue: Re: A `Very Dire' Time For Women

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:34:03 EST
I respectfully ask you to give me the short and clear version of what you're trying to say in this post, especially as it relates to my reply -- unless, of course, you were purposely trying to discourage a response with such a rambling and incoherent disco

Thalia: Re: the "come to Jesus" moment

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:05:13 EST
But women who give birth also suffer from those ailments, and in larger percentages. Post partum depression is a known problem.
Thalia

nmiguy: Re: A `Very Dire' Time For Women

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:38:51 EST
Thanks Sue, muy comment was really about the hed of thr write up which was pretty much hysterical, as if any change in current abortion laws would be the end of all progress women have made.
Abortion is one of those issues that, for many is all e

ms sue: Re: A `Very Dire' Time For Women

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:43:01 EST
I would not characterize this as a "very dire" time for women.
Either did anyone else. Here's the section from which the subber selected his apt quote:
Abortion access in many states is being curtailed, activists are uncertain about the st

nmiguy: Re: A `Very Dire' Time For Women

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:30:05 EST
A very dire time for women? Sounds a bit hysterical to me. Women really have it pretty good these days. Not everywhere, but historically speaking, women have a lot of freedoms and power these days. The abortion issue is one that wom

MayorBob: Perhaps 2006 Will Be Like A Title Fight

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:14:03 EST
If that's the case, Round One goes to the pro-Choice side as the Supreme Court refused to hear the companion case to Roe v. Wade and essentially nibble away

tomc: Re: the "come to Jesus" moment

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:03:22 EST
That indeed is their line. And the fact is that many women suffer from trauma, depression, anxiety, regret, etc. How this becomes a cogent argument against choice, though, is beyond me.

Thalia: Re: The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:10:40 EST
That was a fascinating read. Thanks for the link! I'm not surprised by it, but it does show the hypocracy of some of these people.

gerrymander: the "come to Jesus" moment

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:05:09 EST
Then again, the evangelical movement would probably just come up with their own list of members who have had abortions, and regret them. "Help us prevent other women from making our mistake, and pray that [Ms. list signer] recognizes her sin and repents" -

cloudofdust: The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:42:33 EST
Personalizing the issue like that puts it in a completely different light.
Not always:

"I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rat

Coelacanth: Re: Brilliant tactic...

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:08:34 EST
Excellent point. And it couldn't form a better contrast to the comments by Judie Brown. That last line - actually, the whole Brown column - is breathtaking.

port1080: Brilliant tactic...

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:30:19 EST
This is especially smart if they can get some names that people might not expect on their list (i.e. perhaps the daughter of a famous evangelist, or something). Once people start explaining why their daughter/wife/sister had to have an abortion, perhaps o