Iunebrave: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

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Nekiihrac: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

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Shy Elf: Re: Randy Graf, For One

Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:31:41 EST

Here's a review of Republican candidates who leaned heavily on Immigration and lost.

I'm sort of shocked that they'd even try going beyond making

permazorch: Re: Economic socialists and mod con socials

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:07:14 EST

Hey Wetkarma,

I like your added items, too.

Policy enforcement must come from a crackdown on business employers and NOT wasted on border control. To that end, a national ID card is going to be necessary.

A-Freaking-Me

wetkarma: Re: Economic socialists and mod con socials

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:55:42 EST
Hi Permazorch,
Your top 3 issues are a good start.
Allow me to add my own items:

Balance the budget; I don't care if this is accomplished via raising taxes, cutting spending, or some combination thereof. The country's debt

Thalia: Re: Harold Ford

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:43:55 EST
I think we're talking about two different racist ads. There is the radio ad with jungle drums, and there is the Bring back habeas corpus!Now. Stop spying on American citizens without warrants.

Laying the groundwork for universal healthcare would be very, very nice, but it would be unexpected.

A

jbou: I forgot to add...

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:21:15 EST
I sent Webb a decent amount of money to help him get elected. I think Webb is a smart man who isn't going to let the lobbyists have too much influence over him.

jbou: Re: Economic populists and social moderates

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 13:10:45 EST
I'll give you the libertarian west, because Senator elect Tester did rally hard against the Patriot Act which played well in the libertarian state of Montana.
I failed in my first comment to mention the civil liberties mess that needs to be fixed but y

uncarved block: Randy Graf, For One

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:09:39 EST
I don't have any specific candidates in mind, but was going off something from Hewitt's blog. He made quite a to-do over the fence, and was quite vehement about immigration being the most important domestic issue of the election-- so when he s

wetkarma: Re: Economic populists and social moderates

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 04:03:30 EST

It was the economic populists and social moderates with a tinge of hawkishness that drove the Democratic party to victory.
really? Nothing in there about the libertarian types eh? Thats ok. For the first time -ever- voting, one of my candida

Shy Elf: Re: What about Obama?

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:27:15 EST
I think he was playing it quiet in his first year as a freshman, and has already stepped up his visibility a bit. How many seconds year senators do you know for having sponsored anything?
You're right, though, if he's going to make a real run at t

Shy Elf: Immigration

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:24:31 EST

Republicans who ran strong anti-immigration campaigns got their asses handed to them
Who are you talking about? The race I saw before the election as leaning most strongly on an anti-immigration message was the AZ Senate race,

Shy Elf: Harold Ford

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:13:39 EST
I didn't really see this as racist so much as trying to paint him as not a real conservative who supports "family values". I'm not sure exactly when the ad aired, but it seems to have been near October 23rd. I don't see a sharp break in

humorlesscretin: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:36:13 EST
Put down the hash pipe and wait a couple hours.

humorlesscretin: Re: Family Ties

Thu, 9 Nov 2006 01:31:17 EST
Now that Allen is all but officially out, the question is whether this is the beginning or the end of his presidential run.
Stick a fork in him, he's done. If he tries, run a very simple ad: 10 sec "Macaca", 15 sec "making aspersions", 5 s

uncarved block: No Joy Here

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:49:23 EST
Why cheer something that should have happened two years ago? The waste of lives and resources (Iraqi and American) is too depressing for me to feel any happiness. Incompetence should be punished beforehand, not after having too, too long to fu

uncarved block: Family Ties

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:30:22 EST
I hadn't followed the Ford campaign at all, but Charlie Cook is usually a good touchpoint, and his take was that Harold Ford Jr. would have won if he was an orphan. (Checking Wiki, it looks like he's got a brother in jail for corruption. Huh.)

MayorBob: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:23:54 EST
Yes, Virginia goes to Webb and the Senate goes Democratic. Bye bye chairmanships to all those Republican Senators and wet d

uncarved block: Slim?

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:22:27 EST
With the example of Jim Jeffords at his side for the last five years, I doubt Joe has many illusions about what the Republicans could dangle in front of him in a deal. A one vote lead in the Senate is more of a curse than a blessing, and he'd

coquito: Re: Dreams Die Hard

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:17:42 EST
Ah. OK. Helps when you specify what kinda "cool" you're talking about. ;) That's it for me, just a thank you. I don't know enough about the ads to comment on whether they were hot or cool, though I hear that anti-Ford was pretty steamy.

anykey: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:15:56 EST
I feel strangely optimistic.
Almost giddy.

ms sue: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:03:44 EST
Did I just hear correctly? The Dems did indeed win the Senate?

tomc: Big Disappointment

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:57:48 EST
It was a thoroughly enjoyable election night, especially here on TnT chat.
The big disappointment for me was the Daily Show/Colbert Report election night coverage. After Katherine Harris' breasts deflated and Rick Santorum was taken up by the Rapt

tomc: Re: Dreams Die Hard

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:10:08 EST
"Not sure I get the "cool" comment"
Marshal McLuhan had this theory that radio was hot and TV was cool. In other words, fire and brimstone works on radio, but calm, cool and collected works on TV. Ford always appeared very tense where

profwhat: Re: I still hate the American voter

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:32:21 EST
But there was a record number of openly gay candidates elected yesterday, including Patricia Todd, a lesbian elected to the Alabama legislature.
What's

Thalia: My Worry

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:39:21 EST
If the Senate is split evenly, what are the odds that Lieberman will switch to Republican for getting the chair of a committee? I'm giving it better than even odds. Maybe I'm too cynical. For now, I just hope that the Democrats can pull o

coquito: Re: Dreams Die Hard

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:29:44 EST
Not sure I get the "cool" comment. Ford had TV ads...
I worry (cynic that I am) that Thalia is closer to the truth on this one, though I don't have any evidence either way.

Thalia: Re: Dreams Die Hard

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:13:03 EST
The Tennessee vote seemed to turn on race. Ford started falling behind after the racist ad ran (he's a single black man, and he's after your blonde women!), and never caught up again. White men overwhelmingly voted against him, according to exi

permazorch: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:31:28 EST
Obama needs to do some Hong-Kong-Kung-Fu-High-Wire-Super-Action stunts (and be his own stuntman) during the next two years.
I hope he does, and does well. The USA needs him, and not just for his g

tomc: Re: I still hate the American voter

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:05:18 EST
" the American voter is still a homophobic idiot. "
The way I look at it, the American voter either is an optimist.
As Dubya said today, "I'm an optimistic person."
Reagan was the epitome of American optimism.
The problem with optimists,

maml: I still hate the American voter

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:41:56 EST
Really, I'd like to be happier about this. I am happy the Democrats have gained some ground, that Rumsfield has resigned, that W took one in the teeth.
But the American voter is still a homophobic idiot. It took how many years of Iraq before

tomc: Re: Economic populists and social moderates

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:33:55 EST
Recounts rarely change results.
Which really is a validation of the system.

jbou: Economic populists and social moderates

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:21:01 EST
It was the economic populists and social moderates with a tinge of hawkishness that drove the Democratic party to victory. Now we get to hear all the crappy spin about how the liberal leadership in the House is going to have conflicts with the new conserva

tomc: Re: Dreams Die Hard

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:29:26 EST
Good analysis, uncarved.
My perspective is that the one question voters had to answer yesterday was "Can the Democrats do any worse?"
The answer was a cautious "Nope, don't think they can", and hence a Democratic House and (I predict) Senate.<

coquito: What about Obama?

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:04:27 EST
Kind of a total side-tangent here, but it seems to me that with Dems holding at least 1/2 the Senate, and most of the House, this could be a good opportunity for Obama to make some moves between now and the '08 election.
Given that one of his biggest

coquito: Re: RUMSFELD RESIGNS!

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:17:46 EST
Well shizzle. Color me stupefied! He really is resigning!

uncarved block: Dreams Die Hard

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:09:58 EST
Looks like those Whigs managed to pull of a Lazarus last night, eh? The key word the morning after is whither, not wither.
Another notion that seems to have gotten revived from 1994 is this gem: "after two years of those guys,

coquito: Re: RUMSFELD RESIGNS!

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:03:48 EST
You trying to give some of us a (happy) heart attack or something? Doesn't seem like Rummy's going anywhere unless we boot him there.

tomc: RUMSFELD RESIGNS!

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:54:01 EST
Hurrah!

tomc: Re: I've never seen so many Democrats

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:54:58 EST
Ohio, too.
I think the only republicans elected there were the auditor and the dog-catcher.

uncarved block: Perhaps

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:49:57 EST
I'd also say the US is far more liberal than you'd think watching the American media. The "outlaw" tradition in Country music, for instance, indicates a lot of acceptance for personal foibles than the pundits at CNN or Fox can admit. They're also a lot les

CaptainLiberal: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:13:57 EST
I just live in Texas, where it's really easy to tell. I will say that we had Democratic turnout here like I haven't seen in a long time. It looks like if we had a couple less participants in the Governor's race Bell might have managed to pull i

port1080: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:11:22 EST
The only question I have is after all the mistakes that the republicans have made why was it so close?
Gerrymandered districts and incumbent advantage. People get a lot of services through the advocacy of their Congressperson, rather than th

permazorch: I've never seen so many Democrats

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:10:19 EST
in positions of power in Kanzas my entire life. I never thought I'd see the day.
I am a little disappointed Joe Lieberman managed to stay on. Oh, well -- A victory for Independents!

anykey: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:06:21 EST
Because the country is vastly more conservative than you can tell by watching American media
Yeah, if you spend any amount of time traveling this country you quickly realize how true that is. I travel a lot, so when I saw Gore, Kerry and Dean, I

MayorBob: Now we'll see how well these politicians ...

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:02:06 EST
... can politick. With the Democrats in charge in the House and either a slim lead or deadlock in the Senate and the Executive still held by the Republicans, the time is ripe for some politicking. That would be politicking in the best sense of

CaptainLiberal: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:52:17 EST
Because the country is vastly more conservative than you can tell by watching American media.

shane: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:48:43 EST
The only question I have is after all the mistakes that the republicans have made why was it so close?

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Shy Elf: Re: Randy Graf, For One

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Thalia: Re: Harold Ford

jbou: I forgot to add...

jbou: Re: Economic populists and social moderates

uncarved block: Randy Graf, For One

wetkarma: Re: Economic populists and social moderates

Shy Elf: Re: What about Obama?

Shy Elf: Immigration

Shy Elf: Harold Ford

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humorlesscretin: Re: Family Ties

uncarved block: No Joy Here

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MayorBob: Re: Election 2006: Democrats Win

uncarved block: Slim?

coquito: Re: Dreams Die Hard

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tomc: Big Disappointment

tomc: Re: Dreams Die Hard

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Thalia: My Worry

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tomc: Re: I still hate the American voter

maml: I still hate the American voter

tomc: Re: Economic populists and social moderates

jbou: Economic populists and social moderates

tomc: Re: Dreams Die Hard

coquito: What about Obama?

coquito: Re: RUMSFELD RESIGNS!

uncarved block: Dreams Die Hard

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tomc: RUMSFELD RESIGNS!

tomc: Re: I've never seen so many Democrats

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