Iunebrave: Re: If You've Been Having Risky Sex, You'd Better

My understanding of your argument is as follows (and please let me know if I am wrong): (i) the government has overestimated the risk of harm certain populations have when it comes to HIV/AIDS infection, (ii) in order to prevent the citizenry from

Milo: Re: Telling your partner your sexual history

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:22:12 EST

What if you don't remember your sexual history? What if you were raped or something you are quite ashamed of? What if your previous sexual history is something your spouse would not approve of? What if your fiancee, you thought she was a virgin, but

nmiguy: Telling your partner your sexual history

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:40:43 EST
This is controversial. What if you don't remember your sexual history? What if you were raped or something you are quite ashamed of? What if your previous sexual history is something your spouse would not approve of? What if your fi

nmiguy: Not sure about that Steve

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:29:23 EST
Steve, I knew a woman who contracted AIDS back in teh 1980's from a blood transfusion when she was giving birth to her daughter. The birth went bad, she lost a lot of blood and at the time, blood was not screened for HIV/AIDS. She died in 1990,

Steve Urkel: Re: Open letter

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:58:23 EST
Blacks are homosexualists at higher rates than whites, but even taking that into account it is obvious that AIDS in Africa is different than AIDS here. Why not try and figure this out, instead of continuing to propagate the nonsense that "We are all equall

Steve Urkel: Re: Open letter

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:50:35 EST
Fela Kuti spent 20 months in prison.

zyxwvutsr: Re: Fair enough

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:38:19 EST

So it makes sense to suggest...they should take precautions.
I don't understand any objection to such counsel
I never said I objected to that. I objected to the idea that we should "overstate the risk of infection" in orde

ms sue: Re: Fair enough

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:19:28 EST
Advising sensible prevention does not equal prevarication. You yourself said that having sex with extremely promiscuous people is risky. When one has sex with "random" people, that risk factor comes into play. So it makes sense to suggest to people that wh

zyxwvutsr: Re: Fair enough

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:06:54 EST

...why not allow for koos's suggestion regarding sensible prevention?
I already explained why: honesty is the best policy. Encouraging government officials to lie in an attempt to further a social cause is especially bad. &nb

ms sue: Re: Fair enough

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:51:43 EST
I think it is better to tell people the full truth: that unless you have promiscuous gay sex, or have unprotected sex with extremely promiscuous people, or (for a woman) have sex with a bisexual man, or use illicit IV drugs, you are almost certai

zyxwvutsr: Re: Fair enough

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:34:25 EST

...I'd rather we overstate the risk...Since no one dies my way, and the costs are reasonable to me, I think it trumps yours
Your way is similar to the strategy used by the government in the war on drugs and, by some, in attac

koos: Fair enough

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:41:19 EST
Maybe I'm too paternalistic, or too into prevention instead of cure. I was raised to understand that it's "better to be safe than sorry". That's why I'd rather we overstate the risk of infection of a deadly disease than understate it. The worse thing I see

koos: Re: Open letter

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:37:08 EST
Please see: Africa, AIDS Epidemic.
Unless you also think all those foreign black men are gay? or reckless drug users?
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zyxwvutsr: Re: Maybe it's more what he says than how he says

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:14:44 EST

Why would you ever argue against educating people about potential harms?
I am arguing for the exact opposite. If someone says that the general population is at risk for contracting HIV because it's "no longer a gay dise

cutta: Re: Open letter

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:11:29 EST
Fela Kuti.

koos: Maybe it's more what he says than how he says it

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:02:48 EST
zyx,
QUOTE FROM CLUELESS: "That's only because of homo-sexualist propaganda claiming everyone is at equal risk for AIDS."
Isn't risk of AIDS based entirely upon safe-sex-having and non-needle-sharing... it's about FLUID TRANSMISSION, ri

socky: Re: Hmmmm

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:40:33 EST
This is well off the topic I think you are trying to steer the thread onto, but assuming that the strongest version of your suspicion were true, what would a sensible response be from any individual?
Let's see, no man can catch a deadly disease from hav

Toby Flip: Everyone's an Expert

Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:27:27 EST
There is (and will be forever, no doubt, as we are always going to be awkward when talking about sex) a lot of confusion, apocrypha and misinformation about HIV transmission and spread. This synthesis

zyxwvutsr: Re: I tip my hat to the (pending) revolution

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:09:13 EST

...even the link I offered that you said proves Steve's point doesn't say that heterosexual spread of AIDS is almost an impossibility
No, it says the same thing I wrote above: transmission of HIV from a woman to a man, in the

Steve Urkel: Hmmmm

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:03:41 EST
It's possible that, unlike all the other highly promiscuous men in the NBA (including non of Magics teamates, who theoretically would be banging at least some of the same chicks he did), NFL, MLB, NHL, unlike all the promiscuous actors and rock musicians,

MayorBob: Re: I tip my hat to the (pending) revolution

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:22:44 EST
And Steve's trolling goes a bit beyond just alleging that HIV transmission among heterosexuals is unusual; unless I'm missing a huge point, he's saying that that method of transmission is near impossible or so unlikely we should really have no concern abou

David Flores: Re: Open letter

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:02:16 EST
Magic Johnson

zyxwvutsr: Re: I tip my hat to the (pending) revolution

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:51:25 EST

Nothing I like to read better than a fact-based analysis of AIDS written over a decade ago by an author who seems to have some "ethical questions" about his honesty and balance
For all Urkel's trolling, MayorBob, he's not wro

Steve Urkel: Re: I tip my hat to the (pending) revolution

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:13:49 EST
"a fact-based analysis of AIDS written over a decade ago"
Yes, we've had ten years to see if heterosexual AIDS was a myth or if we really were going to swamped by an epidemic of heterosexual AIDS cases. So what happened? You tell me.

MayorBob: Re: I tip my hat to the (pending) revolution

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:49:36 EST
Nothing I like to read better than a fact-based analysis of AIDS written over a decade ago by an author who seems to have some "ethical questions" about his honesty

Steve Urkel: Open letter

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:29:30 EST
To whomever moderated the above obnoxious, feel free to provide the name of a man who got AIDS from having sex with a woman.

Steve Urkel: Re: I tip my hat to the (pending) revolution

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:19:43 EST
"but "the H.I.V." likely remains a scary monster to many people who would otherwise be sexually active"
That's only because of
homosexualist propaganda claiming everyone is at equal risk for AIDS. T

pO157: I tip my hat to the (pending) revolution

Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:34:23 EST
I remember hearing that the availability of "free love" and whatnot seemed to correlate with the availability of The Pill and the associated changes in the attitudes of society.
Since the advent of HIV/AIDS in the '80s it appears that things may have sh

David Flores: Embarrasing...

Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:57:48 EST
If I've got to reveal my sexual history to every potential partner in the future, things could really get embarrasing. I wonder if I could be sued for "embellishing" things the other way, that is, to make my sexual history seem more... er...

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nmiguy: Telling your partner your sexual history

nmiguy: Not sure about that Steve

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Steve Urkel: Hmmmm

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