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I'm one of those tedious people who are temporarily or permanently immunocompromised. After three months in a clean room and three months stuck at home the only reason I can travel on public transport now, and that I can go back t Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:20:12 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#28 <i>It's no accident that I avoid most drugs.</i><p> I avoid them, too, as much as I possibly can, but not when they're necessary. And you and I apparently put vaccines in that latter category. You were absolutely right to wait until your child was healthy Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:07:14 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#27 It's no accident that I avoid most drugs.  I actually bother to read the list of side-effects.  Maybe I'm just too sensitive to the risk, but I have a friend with epilepsy and seizures are rather terrifying to me.<p> Thalia Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:13:17 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#26 It appears that more than half of the infected people have been immunized.  Either the immunization isn't particularly effective, or something happened to the pathogen.<p> Thalia Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:10:44 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#25 Unlikely.  Look at the religious right's problems with the HPV vaccine.  Try to imagine the uproar over a vaccine that actually does stand a chance of making sex seem safer and thus increasing promiscuity.  Especially one still viewed by man Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:02:17 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#24 no, not mutation, herd immunity lapse. It doesnt take a heck of a lot to allow these horrid pathogens to get a foothold in the populace. Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:00:53 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#23 <i>Check out the warnings you get, and you'll see why some parents are reluctant to delibrately expose their children to this:  <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/vis/vis-mmr.txt">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/vis/vis-mmr.txt</a></i><p Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:38:55 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#22 My kid has most of his vaccinations, but is at least 6 months behind. Why?  Most good pediatricians will tell you not to vaccinate when your kid is already ill.  And mine had health problems when he was young... so no vaccinations until he turned Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:20:58 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#21 Mutation in the virus, probably.  But really, isn't it easier to just blame those nutsy parents who failed to vaccinate their kids?<p> Thalia Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:11:48 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#20 I like your .sig. "Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell." From Emily Dickinson, right?<p> You know, Dickinson died from Bright's Disease. <p> I don't think there's a vaccination for that, but I like the irony. Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:29:51 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#19 There's some evidence that vaccinations might cause some health problems (I'll just steal <a href="http://specialchildren.about.com/od/autismandvaccines/i/vaccines_2.htm">coquito's link</a> here). But then again, there's the obvious problem that <i>not</i> Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:21:17 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#18 You can't be conservative if you're going to take the long view.  After all, that means recognizing that things won't always be the same, and yeaterday's solutions won't always be valid. Sat, 5 Aug 2006 23:21:29 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#17 Ever heard the term "free rider?" Sat, 5 Aug 2006 23:18:28 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#16 I see your point. Your two positions are consistent with each other. I find both of them abhorrent for reasons already stated ad nauseam. Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:48:11 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#15 <i><br> But basically and perhaps indecipherably brief, I found your position regarding informed consent on the What Happens in the Laboratory thread (Post #39), in which you assert your willingness to take a risk with one child to supposedly protect thous Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:13:46 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#14 <i>If/when I ever have kids, my decisions will be based on what is good for them - not on what is best for the fellow breeder's brood a block down.</i><p> ...and now your kids are all grown up and have those very breeder's down the block as prospective mat Sat, 5 Aug 2006 15:01:53 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#13 <i>Don't dither around ms sue, point to what I said and illustrate the inconsistency. As it stands I have little idea what you are referring to. </i><p> I thought about whether to be explicit, but it would involve going way, way OT here. And I also thought Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:54:23 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#12 <i><p> Besides the fact that this sentiment contradicts your position in another recent thread, I am amazed at the shortsightedness inherent here. I mean, if those breeders a block down all followed suit, well, then....</i><p> Don't dither around ms sue, p Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:23:46 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#11 <i>If/when I ever have kids, my decisions will be based on what is good for them - not on what is best for the fellow breeder's brood a block down. </i><p> Besides the fact that this sentiment contradicts your position in another recent thread, I am amazed Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:37:32 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#10 <i>the rationale for getting vaccinations has more to do with the good of the masses than the good of YOUR kid. If/when I ever have kids, my decisions will be based on what is good for them - not on what is best for the fellow breeder's brood a block down. 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Nobody I ever heard of had the mumps an Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:33:52 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#5 As I understand the "herd theory" suggested above explains this. The theory basically says that the less animals in a given population that are vaccinated, the greater the risk is to <i>all</i> of the animals in the population (even the vaccinated ones). S Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:22:29 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#4 At first I thought this was because too many people were unvaccinated, either through lack of access to medical care or through over-educated stupidity about the non-link with autism.  But the MMWR links say that 51% of the patients had received two d Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:39:12 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#3 I'm more praying that we have the opportunity to tell our great-neices and nephews about the terror of HIV and AIDS, and watching them roll their eyes. Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:27:46 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#2 I agree.<p> It's funny, just the other day I was telling somebody about how our grandchildren will roll their eyes at us for relating for the 67th time about how we (and the rest of the school) all came down with 'Chicken Pox.' The vaccine has only been ou Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:12:39 EST http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2006/8/3/94954/89646#1 If we ever have a major outbreak of measles, mumps, or rubella, I think a lot of people are going to reconsider their stance on immunization.  I wasn't immunized as a child because of my parent's religious beliefs and I've had just about all of the th Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:05:58 EST string http://www.treesandthings.com/search/