Obama Ready To Run - But Is The US Ready For Him? (Trees And Things)

wetkarma: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:34:13 EST

Are you also against minimum wage and OSHA? I'm just curious. I'm also an immigrant, but free flow of labor has serious problems, even if you assume that we provide no services beyond education, roads & national defense. <

3fingerspointback: Too Soon

Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:51:44 EST

My call: This is going to be Obama's first of multiple runs for the presidency, and it's going to fail because he's too inexperienced. Yeah, he gives good speeches, but what exactly has he done? Written a couple of books about being Barac

Thalia: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:57:22 EST

Thalia

coquito: Re: Kucinich or bust!

Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:31:19 EST

What do you think of this, by the way?

I think it smacks of the same hysterical mud-slinging (for lack of a better term) as the QL I posted on Obama being a smoker. I mean, really, people worry about this stuff?

I'm actually not sure though w

Steve Urkel: Re: Kucinich or bust!

Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:23:53 EST

I have a hard beliving Clinton's operatives are leaking to Insight, but you never know. But they will have to stick the knife in all her opponents, and democrats overlook how unscrupulous the Clintionoids are when it comes to the researching/smearing of op

Lou: Must be good stuff

Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:43:14 EST

I've got some good Kucinich smack

It must be good...I'm getting a contact high.

Yeah man! Kucinich 2008: It could happen!

Acefantastik: Kucinich or bust!

Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:40:30 EST

I've got some good Kucinich smack, but I've got to address that move likely pushed ahead by the buzz surrounding Barry Obama-- Senator Hillary Rodhan Clinton's re

ms sue: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:19:19 EST

You know, my mistake. When I asked you whether you've been snoozing, it was really in reference to your "Isn't the Democratic Party platform essentially pro-progressive taxation, pro-welfare, and pro-social security?" rather than whether wetkarma would vot

coquito: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:47:45 EST

Thanks again. Gonna take me some time re-read all those threads... Oy!

wetkarma: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:29:16 EST

I'd like to hear more about your objections to welfare and social security

Much of my thoughts on

coquito: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:02:44 EST

Thanks for the in-depth reply, wetkarma. All very interesting. If and when you have time, and you can always just send me a message if you don't want to post, I'd like to hear more about your objections to welfare and social security, and how you think the

wetkarma: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:29:15 EST

But seriously, does this mean you essentially wouldn't vote for any Democrat? Isn't the Democratic Party platform essentially pro-progressive taxation, pro-welfare, and pro-social security? (not to mention and pro-or at least note rabidly anti

permazorch: Re: Obama Ready To Run - But Is The US Ready For H

Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:12:03 EST
I don't know...
So far as I know him (not much at all, yeah), I like him, & I'd vote for him with far more enthusiasm than the last 3 dem candidates for prez (Clinton, Gore and Kerry).

coquito: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:11:38 EST
I've been accused of worse :D
Someone called me "obtuse" once. But I showed him. No one likes "the box."
Anyway... my point was that, if you are essentially unable/unwilling to vote for any Democratic candidate, why not just say so? Why say I don't

ms sue: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:03:39 EST
But seriously, does this mean you essentially wouldn't vote for any Democrat? Isn't the Democratic Party platform essentially pro-progressive taxation, pro-welfare, and pro-social security?
Coquito, have you been snoozing all this time? :-)

coquito: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:50:12 EST
OK. At least you didn't call him a "gun grabber." :D
But seriously, does this mean you essentially wouldn't vote for any Democrat? Isn't the Democratic Party platform essentially pro-progressive taxation, pro-welfare, and pro-social security? (no

wetkarma: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:28:47 EST

Could you elaborate on that?
Certainly:
Where I'm opposed to welfare, Sen. Obama wishes to extend welfare benefits to immigrants.
Where I want to see social security dismantled, he wants to extend benefits to immigrants AND give

BigDumbSpaceApe: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:12:41 EST
Hey, thanks coquito... very helpful.

It looks pretty good to me, though I like to see the Environmental and Foreign Policy area flushed out. The lack of any foreign policy experience might really hurt him in a general election, but he looks

Lou: Sam Jackson

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:11:12 EST
Of course, he'd be a great orator...
(cheap joke)
"I'm tired of all these muthafucking conservatives in the muthafucking House!"
(/cheap joke)

Steve Urkel: Re: A cheap way

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:49:44 EST
If we had betting on politics and I was the sort who bet on politcs (I'm not, and I never would, because it's boring) I'd take long odds on Vilsack (or Ballsack, as I call him (see, I do it to everyone?)) upsetting the field.

MayorBob: Re: Ready or not...

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:40:22 EST
Hmmm. Let's see. John F. Kennedy, scion of a powerful Boston political family. A decorated war hero. Served three terms as US Representative in the House and a full term and reelected to a second in the US Senate. Wrote a Puli

Acefantastik: Re: Ready or not...

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:36:07 EST
he has as much on his resume as JFK did.
Really? What war did Senator Obama fight in?

gerrymander: Ready or not...

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:28:02 EST
The US was ready for Obama's level of experience at least once in the not-to-distant past; he has as much on his resume as JFK did. (Or, to choose a more recent but less successful run, John Edwards.)

coquito: Re: A cheap way

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:23:51 EST
You're absolutely right, you've called me out. (Despite the fact that I'm not white, I'm an educated, middle class, liberal American and 99% of my friends are white, so I'm close enough).
But seriously, I may vote for Obama. Certainly if he were

MayorBob: Re: A cheap way

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:08:42 EST
I'll be honest here and say I don't know if I'd vote for him, all things being equal among the candidates. But then, he shares that distinction with any number of other candidates, announced and otherwise, right now. Is anyone ready to vote for

Steve Urkel: A cheap way

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:49:23 EST
I won't be voting for Obama. Were Obama white, I wouldn't be voting for him either. Can you say the same thing?
I doubt it, because if he were white, he would be percieved at most a sort of less qualified version of John Edwards. So why all the h

coquito: Re: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:29:37 EST
I agree with him on virtually no policies that he has commented on. To me he is a socialist politician in the Democratic party.
Could you elaborate on that?
I am not well versed on his position on specific policies, but I did find this

Lou: Re: The first coke snorting President.

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:50:42 EST
The first? I'm not so sure (RE: Bush). Say what you will about Bush, though. He may have tried coke...but he didn't inject.

1fastdog: Re: The first coke snorting President.

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:47:44 EST
Much is being made of Obama's relative inexperience in government as a detriment to his chances.
Aside from the glittering punditry, I doubt that most people could give a rat's ass. The current Weasel-in-Chief is a prime example, although in the

wetkarma: I like MLK, but I would have voted for Malcolm X

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:12:33 EST
Barack Obama has a way with words and speech that reminds me very much of Martin Luther King. The cadence and rhythm of how he speaks and the issues he speaks on is very similar.
That said -- I agree with him on virtually no policies that he has comment

MayorBob: The first coke snorting President.

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:00:24 EST
You just know his admission that he indulged in a bit of nose candy during his early years will end up being played up and played out by whomever he ends up facing. Perhaps it won't come down to Hillary or Joe Biden or John McCain getting in his face

pO157: Don't know much about Obama

Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:51:18 EST
But I doubt many do.
Quite frankly, at this stage I doubt many Americans honestly even know much about the man besides the fact that he is A) African-American, B) Wrote a