Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One Person To Play The Game (Trees And Things)

Thalia: Re: rock beats scissors

Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:31:14 EST

But if you read Jesus' sayings that's exactly what he is complaining about. People who spend all their time proclaiming their faith & devotion, instead of doing good works.

Thalia

gerrymander: Re: rock beats scissors

Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:58:29 EST

Proclaiming one's faith and devotion is a necessary, but not sufficient, component to doing good works. (Which makes sense, from a human perspective. Christians talk about a "love of Christ" and "a relationship with God." Well, what do people think of thos

Thalia: Re: old times there not forgotten LOOK AWAY!

Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:37:11 EST

The Court was looking at intent. Guess what, you'd still lose if you "slap" some hide-that-religion crap around it. As I said, the Courts disagree with you regarding the applicability of the First Amendment to the states (which was your origina

Thalia: Re: rock beats scissors

Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:32:22 EST

Right. "They may see your GOOD WORKS," not "they may see the monuments you built to demonstrate your piety." If the Christians were showing their good works (and last I checked that does not include sending death threats to people who advocate

Lou: Lay your hands upon the monitor

Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:31:43 EST

What He was couselled against was flashy displays of prayer intended for a human audience instead of prayer which properly revered God:

I didn't know the devout had such a weak grip on showing off.

Let me help...

Living your life according

ms sue: Re: old times there not forgotten LOOK AWAY!

Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:32:41 EST

Too bad this listing ended.

gerrymander: Re: rock beats scissors

Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:57:26 EST

Showing off faith is not something Jesus believed in, or advocated.

That's incorrect. Jesus was all for displaying faith, as per Matthew 5:14-16: "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a

Steve Urkel: Re: old times there not forgotten LOOK AWAY!

Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:22:16 EST

The Court very clearly said that the manner of display among "22 acres containing 17 monuments and 21 historical markers commemorating the "people, ideals, and events that compose Texan identity"

So all they need to do is add some other monuments and ma

Thalia: Re: rock beats scissors

Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:19:24 EST

I find it appalling that Christians who claim to believe in Jesus can ignore the part about public demonstrations of belief being a bad idea. Showing off faith is not something Jesus believed in, or advocated. Then again, a group that can claim

Thalia: Re: old times there not forgotten LOOK AWAY!

Mon, 8 Jan 2007 06:16:54 EST

Read the case, and while you're at it, read its companion case McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky. The Court very clearly said that the manner of display among "22 acres containing 17 monuments and 21 historical markers commemorating the "people, id

ms sue: Re: What About School Prayer?

Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:40:29 EST

So you were. My apology. I had read your "new"post without connecting it to its parent post.

Steve Urkel: Re: old times there not forgotten LOOK AWAY!

Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:37:26 EST

Courts disagree? Explain Van Orden v. Perry.

Steve Urkel: Re: old times there not forgotten LOOK AWAY!

Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:33:30 EST

How is a display of the ten commandments an "establishment of religion"?

Moses holding the Ten Commandments is depected on the exterior of the Supreme Court. As one former Chief Justice put it:

"Representations of the Ten Commandments adorn the metal

gerrymander: Re: rock beats scissors

Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:25:32 EST

I find it frightening that people here accept that the majority rules, and that an intimidated minority has no rights, unless it is willing to put up with the "shit storm."

Well, I find it appalling that, after the long history of wars, marches a

gerrymander: Re: What About School Prayer?

Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:51:23 EST

ms_ sue, I'm just keeping with the original question: "Could the good citizens of Dixie County establish a daily reading of the Lord's Prayer to kick off the school day in the public schools?"

MayorBob: What I Did On Summer Vacation.

Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:31:06 EST

Yeah, I doubt that you'll find many people featuring pictures of Dixie County in the slideshows of their travels -- "Here's a picture of the Sistine Chapel and this is the Mona Lisa and this is the Eiffel Tower and this one is the main sty in Bubba Gump's

profwhat: Re: old times there not forgotten LOOK AWAY!

Sat, 6 Jan 2007 07:32:26 EST

The Florida constitution also contains this:

SECTION 3. Religious freedom.--There shall be no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting or penalizing the free exercise thereof. Religious freedom shall not justify practice

Thalia: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Sat, 6 Jan 2007 03:05:58 EST

Repeat after me: You do not have to be brave to be guaranteed your Constitutional rights. You do not have to be willing to put up with abuse. It helps if you are strong enough to deal with it, but it is not, nor should it be, a prerequisi

Lou: Two birds...one stone

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 22:19:30 EST

What the hell, Gordon...why not just drop that rock on gay athiests...that'll squeeze the gay bug right out of them.

lovehate: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 19:13:03 EST

There are plenty of counties that have laws, rules, mores, etc. that are of questionable constitutional standing but that doesn't necessarily mean that they should all be immediately challenged in court. At such time that someone moves in who feels s

Thalia: Re: old times there not forgotten LOOK AWAY!

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:59:24 EST

Unsurprisingly the Courts disagree with you. But don't let reality interrupt your daydreams. See the 14th Amendment, and the legislative discussions around it, and of course Gitlow v. New York.

Thalia

Steve Urkel: early on a frosty morning - LOOK AWAY!

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:57:52 EST

A tourist? Forget about people fearing ridicule and persecution if they come forward and admit being athiests, imagine the ridicule from admitting you went to Dixie County for a vacation?

Steve Urkel: old times there not forgotten LOOK AWAY!

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:53:14 EST

The 1st amendment was meant to apply to the federal government. The state Constituion of Flordia observes:

"We, the people of the State of Florida, being grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, in order to secure its benefits, perfect o

stevetherobot: Re: rock beats scissors

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:46:17 EST

It sounds as if there are at least a few who are too intimidated to complain:

only local residents to come forward have either expressed outright approval for the monument or a willingness to "support" the FFRF, but not join any official act

MayorBob: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:38:04 EST
The summary was provided in the press release from the FFRF which stated they need a resident or someone who has business with the county. I would hazard a guess that if a person with standing is as loosely defined as a tourist or someone hitchhiking

Thalia: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:35:10 EST
The statement to which I was replying strongly implied that constitutional guarantees do not apply in places where the citizenry does not object to their absence. I grant that the analogy wasn't the best, but it addressed where this type of argument

Steve Urkel: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:34:24 EST
Tell that to all the left-wing gun grabbers.

Thalia: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:33:54 EST
One more comment: The summary is incorrect regarding needing a resident of Dixie County for standing. They simply need someone who has encountered the monument and objects to it. It could be a visiting attorney who transacts business in t

Steve Urkel: I wish I was in Dixie AWAY AWAY

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:32:04 EST
For the moment, but it's only a matter of time before they start using the six ton monument to crush nonbelievers, making that analogy quite prescient. I've actually sent them an email sugessting this.

Thalia: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:32:00 EST
From the subQ comments: If you feel the religious are persecuting you by having their values proclaimed, then take up the case. Make a stand. Thalia, your comment is without merit. It slams the religious people of Dixie county wh

profwhat: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:28:07 EST
There may be some distinctions between lynching and a display of the Ten Commandments that make your analogy not very persuasive here.

Thalia: Re: rock beats scissors

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:23:10 EST
That or the folks in Dixie County are just too efficient in intimidating those that oppose their view points.
I find it frightening that people here accept that the majority rules, and that an intimidated minority has no rights, unless it is willing to

Thalia: Re: What About School Prayer?

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:20:23 EST
The "good" citizens of Dixie County can do whatever the heck they want to. And if they manage to intimidate the opponents of their little excursion sufficiently, they get to keep it too. Standing is a pretty brightline rule. The only way

Thalia: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:17:59 EST
Golly yes. I mean if all of the citizens in the county approve of the lynching then there isn't anything wrong with it, right? The Constitution only applies in counties where the citizens support it. If your county prefers not to have fre

ms sue: Re: What About School Prayer?

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:07:01 EST
I'm not sure I understand what a school has to do with this issue.

gerrymander: Re: What About School Prayer?

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:30:24 EST
If there's no resident of Dixie County who is willing to file a suit, would the FFRF be in a similar boat to the canoe they're in with this case?
If the school's mandate was completely within Dixie County (subsidized only by local government auth

rombuu: Re: What About School Prayer?

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:45:33 EST
God, I'd hope so. "Sorry guys, we know you all don't like it, but we all have to turn ourselves into the slaughterhouse just like that judge said".
Heck, look at jury nullification for something similar.

ms sue: Re: What About School Prayer?

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:41:43 EST
I was thinking along that same line. Can court decisions be effectively ignored if it's the will of every person?

MayorBob: What About School Prayer?

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:28:10 EST
Something I wondered about here. Could the good citizens of Dixie County establish a daily reading of the Lord's Prayer to kick off the school day in the public schools? I know that SCOTUS ruled that prayer in public school is a no no. Bu

lovehate: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:10:02 EST
Regardless of the legal standing of the monument, if no one cares -- to be simple-minded about it -- who cares?

tomc: Re: rock beats scissors

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:55:22 EST
"If the FFRP is so gung-ho about this issue then one of their members should move to Dixie County, establish legal residency, file a suit and accept the inevitable shitstorm."
God knows what they'd find on their front lawn the next day.

gerrymander: rock beats scissors

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:08:44 EST
Contra the last line of the write-up, this is fairly clear-cut as a matter of law, per the Kentucky ruling; were a case to be filed, the Dixie County courthouse would have to remove the monument.
But here's the thing: as a matter of law, "religious monu

rombuu: Re: Eleventh Commandment - You Need At Least One P

Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:42:16 EST
Well, if it really bothers some of those people, I'm sure there are houses for sale in Dixie County.