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<title>Keep Your ID Handy to Fly (Trees And Things)</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268</link>
<description>The US Supreme Court, without comment, just &lt;a href="http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=343&amp;sid=1026132">denied&lt;/a> John Gilmore's request for cert. &#160;Just to refresh your memory, John Gilmore challenged the requirement for showing ID at the airport, and the bus, for travel on multiple grounds. &#160;In particular, he objected to having to follow a regulation that he could not actually view (the Security Directive specifying this regulation is secret), and claimed that it implicated his right to </description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:15:34 EST</pubDate>
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<title>3fingerspointback: Because We say you can't, and you can't see it.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#14</link>
<description>&lt;i>"the identification policy here does not impose any criminal sanctions, or threats of prosecution, on those who do not comply"&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;WTF? &#160;You can have secret laws as long as they don't land people in jail? &#160;Did the Supremes just allow states</description>
<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:14:25 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: Re: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#13</link>
<description>As you may well have guessed "500%" was due to the inevitable hyperbole on my part. One article I read says it is &lt;a href="http://tsa-screeners.com/start/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=11083&amp;mode=thread&amp;order=0&amp;th</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:40:56 EST</pubDate>
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<title>wetkarma: Re: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#12</link>
<description>&lt;i>&lt;br>&#10;I would think that they are more difficult to repeat. &#160;This was a lesson learn in less than an hour by the passengers of flight 93. Combined with the awareness of passengers that allowing terrorist to get control of a plane was tantamount to d</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:33:56 EST</pubDate>
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<title>AI: Re: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#11</link>
<description>&lt;i&gt;The TSA strives to create a perception that events like 9/11 are not repeatable or at least exceedingly hard to repeat.&lt;i&gt;&lt;p>&#10;I would think that they are more difficult to repeat. &#160;This was a lesson learn in less than an hour by the pas</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:34:06 EST</pubDate>
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<title>AI: Re: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#10</link>
<description>"This doesn't make sense to me in light of the fact that if ID checking was so important it obviously doesn't make sense for it to be performed by a minimum wage contractor, in a position with 500% turnover."&lt;p>&#10;Any chance you could back that up? &#160;I'm</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:31:35 EST</pubDate>
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<title>wetkarma: Re: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#9</link>
<description>&lt;i>&lt;br>&#10;As a security professional, what do you think about the TSA in general?&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;I think that in general the organization does what it means to do -- which is to give a sense of security when people are travelling by air.&lt;p>&#10;The TSA strives to create</description>
<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:47:36 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: Re: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#8</link>
<description>Ah, Mr. Karma,&lt;p>&#10;It popped in my head this morning that I actually forgot to put one of my more important questions in my last post.&lt;p>&#10;As a security professional, what do you think about the TSA in general?&lt;p>&#10;Mostly on the internets I mostly read blovia</description>
<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:45:39 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Thalia: Re: Keep Your ID Handy to Fly</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#7</link>
<description>Agreed. &#160;The part of the opinion I find disturbing is that since this is not a penal law (i.e. you can't get locked up for failing to follow it) you do not have a right to see the law. &#160;All kinds of scary things can be hidden under that little ru</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:57:18 EST</pubDate>
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<title>cahironsuir: Re: Keep Your ID Handy to Fly</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#6</link>
<description>It doesn't bother me that we have to show ID to fly. It bothers me that there are laws that we aren't allowed to see.</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:44:56 EST</pubDate>
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<title>profwhat: Not All Stupid Things Are Unconstitutional</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#5</link>
<description>I admit it: &#160;I have fantasized of suing the bastards responsible for long airline lines many times while standing in line. &#160;I have dreamed up constitutional theories, most more creative than Gilmore's, and even thought of organizing a civil disob</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:35:47 EST</pubDate>
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<title>gerrymander: Re: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#4</link>
<description>According to &lt;a href="http://www.papersplease.org/gilmore/facts.html">Gilmore's website&lt;/a>, he was offered the option of going through a more strict check, but declined:&lt;blockquote>John then went to San Francisco International Airport and attempted to fly</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:25:13 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: Re: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#3</link>
<description>You know, your post made me look on the TSA's website as to what constitutes positive-ID (whatever that means). I found this &lt;a href="http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/screening/index.shtm">link&lt;/a> which says the absence of proper government issued p</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:48:39 EST</pubDate>
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<title>wetkarma: Re: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#2</link>
<description>I work in the security field.&lt;p>&#10;I can attest that requiring ID does very little for security, more importantly you can always board without an "official photo id". Since 9/11 I've boarded with a credit card with my name on it (misplaced my drivers license</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:37:17 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: A Clear Subject.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2007/1/8/20235/49268#1</link>
<description>I disagree with the ID requirement to board airplanes. &lt;p>&#10;IIRC, the current system requires you to hand your ID to a minimum wage private contractor who matches your ID to your boarding pass before you even approach the TSA security checkpoint. Some airpo</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:46:09 EST</pubDate>
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