The Two-Faces of Welfare Parents and The Children Who Get Caught in the Middle (Trees And Things)

thefadd: Re: What may be the only solution

Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:23:40 EST

What about the old, the infirm or the parent-less young?

Lou: Re: Settle Down, Francis.

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:44:49 EST

Sure, but there are always chances for self improvement for everybody.

Agreed...actually strongly agreed. But, we're sort of back to that you live how you're raised. (ie, farmer's kids becoming farmers and such). I have a friend who s

Lou: What may be the only solution

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:34:41 EST

I see that 50% of the poll wants to enthusiastically end welfare. I understand their desire...and I also agree that welfare probably hurts as many people as it helps in terms of morale and such. And certainly, the problem has gone on for far to

pO157: Re: Settle Down, Francis.

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:10:58 EST

While in grad school, did you ever think you would not eventually have a future?

Oooooh, how to answer that one? I'll pass since it probably couldn't be discussed without a depressing 5 paragraph rant. :)

I'm not trying to make excuses f

Lou: Re: Settle Down, Francis.

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:50:01 EST
They worked through years of it and yet are accused of being insensitive or out of touch with the needs of the poor. Ironic?
Perhaps they are insensitive...perhaps they're not. However, not having money is not the same as not having a futur

pO157: Re: Settle Down, Francis.

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:37:29 EST

Welfare mom didn't shoot anybody and you've already established a pretty good video game playing alibi for her. The guy out shooting was probably doing so because adult athletic problems were largely eliminated under Reagan.
Whoa who

Lou: Re: I may be dense.

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:26:19 EST
You were expecting a dissertation?
From you? Actually, yes.

zyxwvutsr: Re: I may be dense.

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:14:09 EST

Is that the best you can do?
You were expecting a dissertation?

Lou: Re: I may be dense.

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:01:47 EST
Is that the best you can do?

wetkarma: fighting the margins

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:34:26 EST
Any system whether its Monopoly, Chess or Welfare will be gamed by the players. If you incent people to do a certain thing (buy electric cars), more electric cars will be driven on the road.
These incentives will often have unanticipated effects such as

gerrymander: Re: I may be dense.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:53:13 EST
How is she any more of a bad seed than the woman who inherited money from dead relatives and has done nothing to contribute to society besides similarly sit on a couch?
Our presumed inheratrix is only riding the currents of (mis)fortune. Ms. Mili

thefadd: Re: Back in the day

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:05:56 EST
Na, public assistance gets you one of those 1995 mercedes. You gotta deal drugs to step up to the escalade.

thefadd: Re: Settle Down, Francis.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:52:36 EST
Would I be all for social programs like this if they worked and prevented the type of shenanigans you reference? Heck yes. Do they? Apparently not.
Welfare mom didn't shoot anybody and you've already established a pretty good video game playin

pO157: Re: Back in the day

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:48:28 EST
Have you ever been to public housing in WNY?
Right back at you :)

zyxwvutsr: Re: Back in the day

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:46:12 EST

This is apparently a major problem in NY. If you go to the public housing areas it is not uncommon to see Cadillac Escalades and other expensive luxury vehicles parked there
Have you actually been to public housing in NYC? I

pO157: Re: Back in the day

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:38:25 EST
Many folks on welfare were there generationally. Just like the kid of a farmer learns how to farm, the kid of a welfare parent learns how to finesse the system. My favorite, however were situations where the recipients (mostly women, I'm af

zyxwvutsr: Re: I may be dense.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:18:51 EST

What are you blithering about?
Oh, come on, Lou. You learned a new word today. Yay!

zyxwvutsr: Re: I may be dense.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:17:44 EST

I only hate Enron because it's poor?
Yup. There's no other reason.

pO157: Settle Down, Francis.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:28:59 EST
So let's be honest--you only hate her because she's poor.
I personally find that assessment most regrettable. I take most severe umbrage at that assumption and feel it would be best if we discussed substantive issues related to poverty and the

Lou: Re: I may be dense.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:23:20 EST
Same with you and Enron.
What are you blithering about?

thefadd: Re: I may be dense.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:46:42 EST
I only hate Enron because it's poor?

zyxwvutsr: Re: I may be dense.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:35:27 EST

...you only hate her because she's poor
Same with you and Enron.

thefadd: Re: I may be dense.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:00:56 EST
If it's in the public interest to ensure that people are fed with roofs over their head instead of sleeping on my front lawn and pissing under my window after foraging through my garbage cans for food, what difference does it make? How is she any more of a

Lou: Back in the day

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:09:14 EST
Bad things happen to good people sure, but not marrying your fiance simply because your caseworker told you that you would have to go off assistance
Many years ago, I worked closely with the welfare population...and while I can't speak for NY, I

pO157: I may be dense.

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:52:21 EST
But I think the main problem is not that the kids occasionally eat pasta or play video games. The problem is that one woman has not worked for 13 years and is living off the system in every way possible.
Bad things happen to good people sure, but not m

zyxwvutsr: Re: The Two-Faces of Welfare Parents and The Child

Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:40:27 EST

...her children frequently make their own dinner from leftover macaroni or other junk food when they are not playing video games unsupervised...
Scandalous! Children eating pasta and playing video games!