Your Freedom or Your Life (Trees And Things)

davidcomass: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Sun, 20 May 2007 08:27:07 EST

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gerrymander: Ah-HA!

Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:24:02 EST

(After I corrected it at the courthouse, the next summons was still misspelled. I didn't respond.)

So now the truth comes out, Mr. Incuvée Blick!

uncarved block: My Experience

Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:53:57 EST

I got called once, and served, even though they misspelled my last name. (After I corrected it at the courthouse, the next summons was still misspelled. I didn't respond.) Masters degree in English, and I've never had a license or owned a car

jwb: Re: jury nullification?

Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:47:16 EST

Well I've reported for jury duty four times. Three times I was not selected for any jury after answering only basic questions about my identity, education, and occupation. The fourth time I got thrown out for pamphleteering.

Funny thing. &nb

Thalia: Re: jury nullification?

Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:00:39 EST

I doubt it very highly that it was because you were an engineer. And I say this as someone with not only an engineering degree, but also a law degree. Around here, every jury has an engineer on it, unless the engineer deliberately gets off the

jwb: Re: jury nullification?

Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:56:45 EST

The handbill I like to pass around talks about the history of juror abuse, racism, and so forth. It's pretty balanced and historically accurate as far as I have determined. The basic point of the literature is that our system is built so that t

Thalia: Re: jury nullification?

Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:41:23 EST

That and jury nullification has been successfully used to acquit people accused of lynching blacks in the South. Be realistic about the power of jury nullification. It's not about protecting turf.

I consider people who deliberately try to ge

jwb: Re: jury nullification?

Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:53:45 EST

I've found that a quite reliable method of avoiding jury duty is to start passing out jury nullification literature in the anteroom. I have a nice 1-page folded pamphlet that works perfectly. And since I happen to believe in juries as a sort of

shatov: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:13:44 EST

Much like the communists, they assume that people will, as my toddler was taught "get what they get, and not throw a fit." People are naturally selfish and materialistic.

Generally people are not selfish, but jealous -- t

Thalia: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:26:54 EST

Libertarians are crazy not because they don't have enough followers, but because most Libertarians seem to not have the faintest idea about how human motivation works. Much like the communists, they assume that people will, as my toddler was taught "

pO157: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:29:07 EST

But then almost everywhere here also has a patio where you can smoke.

That would be an acceptable compromise IMHO. Of course, that might not work as well on the east coast in the winter, especially in windy areas, but many bars around her

pO157: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:14:19 EST

There are no "conservatives" anymore. The people who now control the Republican party believe in "less government help for them" and "more government handouts for us." They believe in "smaller government for the purposes of doing social

uncarved block: Not Just East

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:55:36 EST

If you drive more than two miles off of I-5, it used to be that you could step back into the '50s rather easily. Democrats who want to thrive in this setting tend to be more conservative than those from the Seattle area, which is why I'm

Thalia: Re: jury nullification?

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:25:19 EST

Jury nullification is something that is hard to get in front of the jury. Yes, in the abstract, the jury can nullify a law, i.e. vote based not on whether the law was violated, but whether the law was acceptable. Howev

Steve Urkel: Re: Look A Little South

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:03:55 EST

"I would have to quibble over the notion that Washington is "liberal". "

I know Eastern WA is righty, but the WA as a whole is liberal enough that if liberals wanted a marijauna initive to pass it would. I agree with your take on the views of younger de

shane: Re: jury nullification?

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:47:22 EST

Is anyone familiar with jury nullification of laws? Couldn't she have won this case with a jury instead of a judge? Jury's I believe can find that the law should be struck down even when a judge can't.... I think...

Another questions... whe

thefadd: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:49:48 EST

This does provide an out for a mom & pop type bar, but how many of those are left in NYC?

In Los Angeles, I know of 3. But then almost everywhere here also has a patio where you can smoke.

thefadd: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:33:40 EST

Because it's actually a labor regulation, I agree with it. It's not a ban on smoking and it isn't enforced as such. It's designed to ensure that all laborers are as free from work place toxins as possible. Just because the public goes somewhere doesn't mak

pO157: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:30:41 EST

The law against smoking in California bars and restaurants is actually a labor regulation, specifically California Labor Code Section 6404.5(b). If the only people who work the bar are the bars owners and they have no employees, then neither they no

thefadd: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:27:33 EST

uncarved block: Look A Little South

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:47:39 EST

Washington may have never tried decriminalization*, but the Oregon Marijuana Initiative was always in the news when I was growing up in the 80s, and even made the ballot a few times. If you want to hang an argument about the popularity of lega

humorlesscretin: Re: How popular is it really?

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:33:08 EST

I wasn't thinking the random signers so much as the person who starts the initiative going... but if nobody firebombed the house of the guy who started the gay marriage initiative, it's probably a moot point. Thanks.

Steve Urkel: Re: How popular is it really?

Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:18:02 EST

I've never heard of anything like that happening to anyone in WA, even after controversial inititives like repealing 'affirmative action', homosexual marriage, and medical marijana. I assume the signatures are public record, I imagine in order to get them

humorlesscretin: Re: How popular is it really?

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:45:10 EST

I suspect no one in a good position to do so wants to put their name on such an initiative. A little smoking among friends is one thing, but does anyone with a professional career want a reputation as "that nutjob who wants to legalize pot"? I

humorlesscretin: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:31:39 EST

My question is thus: What the happened since then, or was the lovable Mrs. Griscoll smoking a thick doobie herself before class?

The paleocon dinosaurs pretty much all died in the CELE (Conservative Extinction-Level Event) known as

Thalia: Re: How popular is it really?

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:31:25 EST

Given that marijuana has been illegal for quite a lot of years, it's a schedule I drug (stating it has no medical uses whatsoever) having 11 states pass laws legalizing the use of medical marijuana over the last 10 years is pretty broadly indeed. Esp

pO157: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:23:08 EST

Corporate?

Like a corporate owned Ruby Tuesday's franchise bar/grill. Which I will never drink in again.... they know what they did.

Steve Urkel: Re: How popular is it really?

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:50:22 EST

26% is "quite broadly"? I know the topic is primarily about medical marijauna, I find it interesting how so many people who have used the MJ themselves, and are tolerant of others using it, remain reluctant to legalize it.

Thalia: Re: How popular is it really?

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:42:00 EST

11 states have legalized medical marijuana, and two more have removed prosecution for it. This is a medical marijuana case, not a "should drugs be freely available" case.

keta: Here Come da Judge

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:36:57 EST

I don't know if he's a Republican or a Democrat, and Bog knows how he'd rule on the issue in his courtroom, but one robed rogue really likes his

Thalia: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:54:55 EST

I'm all for prohibiting marijuana smoking in public spaces. I'm actually allergic to smoke, and yes that includes smokes from bonfires, fire places, cigarettes, and pot. But what you do in your own private spaces, is a different matter. <

keta: Misinformation, and the Fear Factor

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:48:59 EST

These two forms of manipulation are what keeps marijuana from being dealt with in a rational manner in the USA.

Upon reflection, these two forms of manipulation are what keeps a LOT of things from being dealt with in a rational manner in the USA.

Steve Urkel: Re: Your Freedom or Your Life

Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:32:35 EST

While there is only one Republican in national office I can think of (Ron Paul) who wants to repeal drug laws, there are more conservatives than you think who would like to see them reformed. See The Feb, 1996 issue of My question is thus: What the h