It's Not A Habit; It's A Brain Disease (Trees And Things)

uncarved block: Directly And Indirectly

Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:16:54 EST

Well, the folks who profit directly would be anyone who writes (or "writes") a memoir about their addiction that anyone cares to read: rock stars, actors, comedians, say, but also less famous folks hungry enough to sell their past misfortune

pO157: Re: Withdrawal

Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:37:04 EST

Makes you wonder who gained (and still gains) by keeping this stereotype alive in the popular culture . . .

The ONDCP? I have no idea why they have yet to produce an informational video on the joys of withdrawal and send that out to impressiona

uncarved block: Oh, Yes

Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:13:44 EST

If you've ever talked to any veterans from WWII, or watched a documentary or two on the right topic, you'll hear about men drinking rocket fuel, rubbing alcohol-- anything close to liquor to stave off the DTs, apparently. When I worked at the

Steve Urkel: Re: Withdrawal

Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:42:38 EST

Alchohol withdrawl can be fatal:

"Despite appropriate treatment, the current mortality for patients with DTs ranges from 5-15%. Mortality was as high as 35% prior to the era of intensive care and a

thefadd: Re: Withdrawal

Fri, 3 Aug 2007 20:19:33 EST

I've never heard of alcohol withdraw and the concept sounds pretty ridiculous to me. I've also known some people who went through some hardcore shit with heroin so I'm pretty skeptical of what you guys are saying.

Lou: Re: Withdrawal

Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:51:37 EST

Only Bill W. knows for sure.

uncarved block: Withdrawal

Fri, 3 Aug 2007 19:13:20 EST

Yeah, I ran into some books in the mid 80s noting that heroin withdrawal was often overstated, and that alcohol withdrawal is fatal in the worst cases, while heroin almost never is. The pros in the recovery field seem quite aware of this, at

Steve Urkel: Re: It's Not A Habit; It's A Brain Disease

Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:08:57 EST

Dalrymple/Daniels is a terrific writer (though he tends to bang on the same gloomy themes over and over). He used to work as prison doctor, and according to him the agnonies of heroin withdrawl are wildly exaggerated.

thefadd: Re: It's Not A Habit; It's A Brain Disease

Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:16:17 EST

Joe Biden has gone completely off the deep end. I don't know of one democrat who's sold his soul more completely to monied interests.