Vick: A Dick? (Trees And Things)

Steve Urkel: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:32:18 EST

I had no idea. Grier is not a common name, yet a possible connection between them never even occured to me. I have a recollection of Rosey playing his guitar and singing 'It's all right to cry" on Sesame Street or the Muppet show or something.

Lou: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:38:42 EST

Yes, but on trips to Vegas people do not bet on which slot machine is going to disembowel the other one first.

Yeah, but that would rock though...sort of like Robot Wars with quarters.

Lou: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:35:05 EST

I did not know that. Thank you. Did you know that Rosie is the cousin of the beautiful and delightful Pam Grier?

pO157: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:14:22 EST

That has to be the biggest farce ever. I roomed with a member of the football team freshman year in college and he was on the gravy train. And this wasn't even a D-I school, it was a small private school in a random backwater with no hope of ever actually

pO157: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:12:36 EST

The Federal authorities are enforcing the right of the established gambling enterprises in this country to run a regulated monopoly. You can't try to compete with them or pressure will be brought to bare to punish you.

Yes, but on trips to Veg

Steve Urkel: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:09:48 EST

You know the NCAA can't pay players, doing so would end the fiction they are "student atheletes".

I don't know any of the details, but I'm guessing Vick became a fan of dog fighting going back to his childhood in the projects.

Steve Urkel: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:05:20 EST

Did you know Rosey Grier tackled Sirhan Sirhan?

thefadd: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:03:47 EST

Taking Mayorbob's astute observation below, I'd add a third comparison here -- that being gambling. Because the jail time really is for the interstate gambling and conspiracy infractions. If Vick were fighting dogs in his back yard with his buddies, he'd b

uncarved block: Terms

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:51:53 EST

Ah, now if you want to make a direct comparison to bull riding, then dog fighting is maybe two levels below that in cruelty. Maybe. But I've had relatives who did barrel riding competitions, and a friend who showed pigs for 4H; when I hear "ro

thefadd: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:48:46 EST

As usual, all evil in the world extends back to the NCAA. The NCAA doesn't allow student athletes, even the poorest of the poor who would otherwise have no spending money, to work. Vick took up dog fighting his freshman year of college as a way of making e

thefadd: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:45:31 EST

If Ron Mexico were implicated in cock fighting, we'd have to kill him just to make the jokes stop.

thefadd: Re: Look at it this way

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:55 EST

What's up with the clowns anyway?

MayorBob: The Feds aren't prosecuting him for dog fighting.

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:37:18 EST

He's under indictment for transporting dogs across state lines to promote a gambling operation (which is supposed to be the purpose behind having the dogs fight). All the grisly details of how he treated, or better put mistreated, the dogs are sort o

Lou: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:10:29 EST

Maybe he should have put his talents into unlimited fighting or ultimate fighting...or whatever fighting it is you like so much.

Does anyone remember when Rosie Grier took up knitting? There were gentleman giants in those days.

Lou: Look at it this way

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:05:33 EST

For the record, rodeos are probably almost as violent at dog fight...but with one big advantage. At least with rodeos, the bulls and horses have a pretty fair shot at some payback.

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Steve Urkel: Re: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:01:33 EST

I'm in considerable agreement with you, in the vileness and the excessiveness of punishment, at least for a first offense. I have a difficult time getting past the sheer hilarity of someone with millions of dollars choosing dog fighting out of all the poss

Thalia: Re: Some Thoughts In Response

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:57:21 EST

I would make the comparison that dog fighting is like the old time gladiatorial combat where one of the parties dies at the end, whereas rodeo and its ilk are closer to greco-roman wrestling. You might get hurt, but the point of the exercise is not f

port1080: Re: Some Thoughts In Response

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:45:17 EST

One level of cruelty below a rodeo? Really? IMO they're not even in the same room when it comes to cruelty, pinched testicles and all. Rodeo sports are not gentle, but they aren't especially cruel, either.

What do you think happens to those bu

nmiguy: Re: Some Thoughts In Response

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:14:04 EST

I'm partial to snail fighting. They have shells to protect themselves, so it is less cruel. And it takes a loooong time, so you can really get into the strategy part of it. But collecting when you win takes almost as long.

It is

uncarved block: Some Thoughts In Response

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:53:48 EST

You really don't think Vick would lose sponsorships for cock fighting? No, the league wouldn't touch him for it, but I think the corporate world is so risk adverse that being connected to something so crass would dry up the funds right away. T

port1080: Nasty, yes, but jail time?

Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:16:45 EST

Allow me to begin by saying that I am not a proponent of dog fighting. Indeed, part of what bothers me about this is the feeling I get that if dog fighting was not a crime (i.e. if Vick had be engaged in a cock fighting ring in Louisiana, for example, whe