Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit Pay? (Trees And Things)

thefadd: Re: Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit P

Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:33:23 EST

Are you saying most people with money aren't opposed other people getting money at the expense of those who already have money?

Lou: Re: Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit P

Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:42:54 EST

Private schools are occupied by the children of people who already care enough about their children's education so much that they'll pay extra for education. If you think this is somehow a disincentive to exceed NCLB standards -- even before they were e

gerrymander: Re: Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit P

Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:58:53 EST
as I have mentioned before, the results are already rigged against public schools (unreasonable standards) and for private institutions(not needing to meet NCLB guidelines).
Private schools are occupied by the children of people who already care

zyxwvutsr: Re: Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit P

Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:01:41 EST

The simple fact is, rich people don't want poor people to get educated and take their jobs
You must be a liberal. Do you know how I can tell? It's the combination of the deeply flawed logic, seemingly complete lack of knowled

uncarved block: Partially Agree

Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:58:40 EST
Yes, as long as pay is connected to both course hours and experience, there will be that issue of pay imbalance.
What I had in mind, though, and should have been more precise in posting originally, is to reduce the requireme

Lou: Re: Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit P

Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:28:22 EST
Yes. This is one of the reasons I don't pay much attention to critics of NCLB. Standardized tests had been used for decades prior to No Child Left Behind as ways to chart performance.
Perhaps you should pay closer attention to them. Part of

gerrymander: Re: It's Money That Matters

Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:05:52 EST
The best way to get good people into teaching, especially at the elementary level, would be to reduce the academic requirements
But this is a pay scale problem as well. Union teaching jobs link teacher education (among other things) with salary.

gerrymander: Re: Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit P

Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:58:44 EST
What about those teachers in the hell-hole urban school districts? [...] What talented teachers the urban areas have attracted will get out and go somewhere else, causing those districts to need to hire from unqualified or less qualified staff outside t

pO157: Re: Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit P

Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:57:07 EST
It doesn't look good on paper.
Let me clarify: It looks good on paper to disinterested and uninformed parties who give it a quick glance on some candidate's glossy flyer of campaign bullet points. They then vote for the person because they are "

thefadd: Re: It's Money That Matters

Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:42:45 EST
Just what I want -- the same people teaching my kids that scan me at the airport. I do agree with your point to an extent, though. If, instead of doubling teachers salaries they took the extra made up theoretical fairy money that might be spent on educatio

uncarved block: It's Money That Matters

Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:28:02 EST
Actually, I'm really torn on this issue, despite the chance to use a Randy Newman song as a comment title. While more money makes any job more palatable, some of the worst teachers I've ever had were in it for monetary reasons: either to make

thefadd: Re: Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit P

Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:37:12 EST
It doesn't look good on paper. All this made up bureaucratic BS -- vouchers, no child left behind, merit pay, magnet schools, administrators cheating test scores -- they're nothing but a cover for the fact that there's no money in education. Why would I wa

pO157: Re: Are Teachers Going To See The Merit Of Merit P

Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:35:57 EST
It looks like a good idea on paper. However, it has some major flaws:
-What about those teachers in the hell-hole urban school districts? Who would you get to teach there if pay was linked to test performance and the children basically were uncontrollab