Inappropriate Sexual Gestures, Wide Stances, Gross Hypocrisy, And Senator Larry Craig (Trees And Things)

pO157: Re: Power is so hard to give up.

Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:19:03 EST

Those who would love to see Craig's seat filled by a Democrat might just want to root for his guilty plea to get overturned. If the Republican governor fills the seat with a Republican who can walk and chew gum at the same time, they have a better

MayorBob: Re: Power is so hard to give up.

Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:35:33 EST
The funniest parts about this:

Senator Larry "Hand Jive In The Men's Room Stall" Craig didn't mean for this to leak out. He was calling potential allies to give them a head's up (no pun intended) about this rudder change and he

Lou: Power is so hard to give up.

Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:42:14 EST
Just when you thought it was safe to return to the public bathroom...
Foot tappin' Idaho Senator Cruisey McToilet may not resign after all.

pO157: Re: Too much irony in the diet

Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:30:03 EST
The last one was named "Dirk*." The state has a tradition of electing hardcore governors.
*=Interestingly, when he was confirmed Secretary of the Interior, he was out of the state at various meetings in DC. At that point he faxed his letter of resignati

uncarved block: Actually, That Make Me Wonder

Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:27:50 EST
how many times Craig might have gone through this before, and managed to talk (or bluster, rather) his way out of trouble. If he's been at this kind of cruising for over twenty years- on and off, to be sure- then it seems rather likely this wasn't his firs

MayorBob: Governor Otter's Press Conference.

Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:54:16 EST
My fellow Idahoans, today is a day we all had hoped would never come. But the unfortunate events of the past week have eventuated in the early retirement from politics of one of Idaho's favorite, albeit utterly disgraced, sons -- Larry Craig. A

Lou: Too much irony in the diet

Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:51:19 EST
Here's a fun bit of news...Now that Sen Craig (R-Minn. airport men's stall 3rd from the right) has declared he is done, the governor of Idaho has to pick his replacement. The governor? His name is C.L 'Butch'

port1080: Re: Inappropriate Sexual Gestures, Wide Stances, G

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:34:40 EST
Here, you are being prosecuted for hitting on someone
Well, as far as I'm aware the prosecution is for propositioning someone to have sex in a public restroom, which is illegal. It's not just for propositioning someone. As far as I'm aware,

ckm: Re: Inappropriate Sexual Gestures, Wide Stances, G

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:16:23 EST
Yes, but most of those laws have the concept of intent and the intent is to do something illegal (like hiring a prostitute). Here, you are being prosecuted for hitting on someone, which is NOT illegal. Neither is gay sex. Nowhere is there

pO157: Re: The Cops Called It

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:28:40 EST
Exactly. The defense would simply paint the cop as some guy who wants to make a name for himself and found a way to do it by busting a US Senator.
Either that or a total creepy officer who volunteers to hang out in bathrooms and rest stops all day long.

thefadd: Re: The Cops Called It

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:21:14 EST
I've heard defense attorneys opine time and again that a solid percentage of people don't get convicted because of what got them arrested but because of what they said after they got arrested. You can't talk your way out of any charges but you sure as hell

pO157: The Cops Called It

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:00:45 EST
On the audio tape at the end: "Embarrassing... embarrassing... no wonder why you're going down the tubes."
Seriously, WTF was Craig thinking he could get out of that interrogation without

thefadd: The Tape

Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:51:35 EST
The tape of Craig's interrogation has been released and after has to be gay" is a cliché even

thefadd: Re: Inappropriate Sexual Gestures, Wide Stances, G

Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:30:28 EST

Would it have been different if he was trying to pickup a woman?

Then he'd have to have been in the ladies room and I'm certain an undercover female officer would have charged him with something for that. I guess the looking over the stall whe

Lou: Re: Plausible

Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:29:32 EST

On can only imagine how the gay rights movement would have been different if every gay man in the 70s and 80s met with vitriolic hatred for being "lying sacks of shit" as well as for being gay

We can only guess...especially since homosexuals of a

keta: Re: Plausible

Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:05:51 EST

I couldn't care less if he's fucking seagulls and closeted - because that's not why I called him a lying sack of shit.

Watch his presser again, gerry, and see if you can spot the lies.

gerrymander: Re: Plausible

Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:32:13 EST

He's also a lying sack of shit...but then that's virtually synonymous with "Senator,"

... and almost every gay man older than 40. The descriptive phrase used to be "closeted," and at one time it was considered bad form to call attention to it.

MayorBob: Re: Inappropriate Sexual Gestures, Wide Stances, G

Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:37:43 EST

Actually, Craig didn't plead guilty to a sex crime per se. He pled guilty to disorderly conduct (which is I guess a catchall for those found trolling for gay sex in the airport men's room). One would imagine that Craig pled guilty, witho

port1080: Re: Inappropriate Sexual Gestures, Wide Stances, G

Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:47:54 EST

He may have intended to, but AFAIK, you can't prosecute someone for thinking about something.... Well, you can actually - for instance, it's illegal to solicit a prostitute - you don't actually have to get to the having sex with her stage to be c

ckm: Re: Inappropriate Sexual Gestures, Wide Stances, G

Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:07:39 EST

What I don't understand is, how was his behavior a prosecutable offense? So, he tried to pickup someone in a public place, since when is that a crime? It's not like he actually had sex IN the bathroom. He may have intended to, but AFAIK

Lou: As long as we're quoting...

Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:48:18 EST

I love how he said, "I did not have sex with that man...or any other man".

Comedy gold.

uncarved block: Agreed

Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:18:52 EST

The notion that someone who had been in politics for that long- even though he was never a lawyer- didn't understand what a guilty plea meant at that moment is more offensive than the "wide stance" nonsense. Add in that Craig had been persona

keta: Re: Plausible

Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:44:26 EST

If I were a state senator, not gay and in absolutely no way soliciting gay sex in a public washroom, I'd have been hopping fucking mad at being charged and would have screamed from the rooftops about my innocence. I would have enlisted at least one l

MayorBob: "I Am Not Gay."

Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:38:03 EST

Proclaiming he loves his wife, Craig called the Idaho paper's reporting a "witch hunt" and said he intends to run for reelection. He said he made a "poor decision" when he pled guilty

Lou: Plausible

Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:49:05 EST

I was listening to Sen. Craig's speech on the way home and I have to admit that his rationale for pleading guilty sounds reasonable. I mean, if I were caught red-handed...or perhaps even flat footed, I too would want to make the incident "go away".