Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment (Trees And Things)

novy: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:41:38 EST

Fascinating final question ("As the people in the linked studies had similar health care benefits, how do you explain the differences in treatment?"). Rather than respond directly, I will quote "Dr. Otis Brawley, chief medical officer of the American Cance

joshv: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:37:55 EST

Are you aware that a large percentage of men over the age of 80 who died of some cause other than prostate cancer, have prostate cancer? Prostate cancer is one of the least aggressive cancers. If you get it later in life, it's not likely you ar

Steve Urkel: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:40:26 EST

Fallacious? He has no personal experience with American race relations. Growing up in Minsk I doubt it was in the papers much, either.

"How much do you, a white American male born in the 20th century, know about the "plight of the American Negro"?

Lou: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:34:11 EST

"You were born in Belarus and live in Canada, I don't think you know anything about the plight of the American Negro."

Dangit...I tried looking up the class of fallacious argument to which your comment belongs but I didn't have any luck. Can you h

novy: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:50:13 EST

True enough. We treat people equally up north (except for First Nations, who claim huge tracts of land that we still want to steal from them). All I had to go on was your media and old Soviet propaganda. If I had any doubts, though, you have confirmed that

novy: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:45:39 EST

"Specific types of cancer that are very treatable using surgery," like prostate cancer, one of those forms that were part of this study?

Do you claim that this study was "fudged" and that study in 1992 was "fudged"? Do you have any evidence to prove tha

joshv: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:11:48 EST

As far as I am aware, I've made no specific claims about this particular research.

As for cancer treatment. I am not aware of any scientific evidence that would lead me to believe that people who are treated for cancer live any longer than those w

Steve Urkel: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:19:54 EST

That response was a bit unhinged, don't you think?

You were born in Belarus and live in Canada, I don't think you know anything about the plight of the American Negro.

novy: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:23:14 EST

Pretend you didn't read quote in story. Pretend whatever you like. Sell your poison package to your friends at Stormfront because I don't buy it. But why deny it anyway? If white people have more power and hate black people like you do, why not just fly th

Steve Urkel: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:17:49 EST

"That was precisely what cancer doctors concluded based on study"

Where did they conclude blacks were being denied care because they were black? That's not what the article you linked to said. The study discovered "racial disparities in cancer care", wh

novy: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:38:36 EST

That was precisely what cancer doctors concluded based on study. But who can be sure of anything? Maybe Up is Down. Maybe sky could seem green if you want to believe it badly enough. Based

Steve Urkel: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:25:07 EST

"Let's pretend for one moment that joshv and you were absolutely correct"

It should be obvious we are.

"blacks who get denied these options because they were black "

Are people being denied because they are black?

novy: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:21:00 EST

Sentence that read "You don't believe there might be any correlation between getting best care available and getting inferior care?" should have read "You don't believe there might be any correlation between getting best care available and surviving your b

novy: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:17:56 EST

What part of

"Whites were 19% more likely than blacks to receive surgical removal of lung cancer tumors, 27% more likely to get chemotherapy after surgery for rectal cancer, 24% more likely to get chemotherapy for colon cancer, 7% more likely t

novy: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:11:52 EST

Let's pretend for one moment that joshv and you were absolutely correct in claiming that survival rate should be considered utterly meaningless statistic. Key portion of story says

"Whites were 19% more likely than blacks to receive surgical re

joshv: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:40:34 EST

You seem to enjoy putting words in my mouth. I am saying that IF you want to do a proper comparison, the only difference between your cohorts should be race. If these studies have other variables which are not controlled for, then there

Steve Urkel: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:36:15 EST
"People who can get diagnosed earlier do so because everyone knows early diagnosis increases your chances of survival"
No, you misundertand what Josh said.

novy: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:01:11 EST
This study only included people on Medicare. All Medicare treatment gets paid for in same way and to same extent.
If you mean to claim that unequal medical care prior to age 65 caused different outcomes after age 65, that works for me, but that doesn't

Lou: In other words

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:06:56 EST
Unmarried black ho's ain't got a chance unless they got a strong player to do the heavy lifting for them. Right?
You know what's funny though? I just JUST got of the phone with a friend of mine who is a white cancer survivor who's husband di

Lou: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:02:20 EST
Actually there are recent studies that indicate that carbohydrate intake
Does liquor had a lot of carbs? Not beer...but things like scotch et al?

thefadd: Re: Breast Cancer In China

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:16:30 EST
Thanks dude, I'm glad I have, too. You don't know who I've known with cancer so you're concern is a little hollow but--to borrow your word--touching nonetheless. Vegetarianism is a far cry from veganism but for the record, I'm not a proponent of either. I

MayorBob: Breast Cancer In China

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:53:57 EST
According to this information, the incidence of breast cancer in China is 18.7 per 100,000. The death rate from breast cancer is 5.5 per 100,000. Thus I guess the incidence of ot

thefadd: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:21:41 EST
China Daily reports that 300 of every 100k residents of Shanghai report cancer but it doesn't say if any of them have died.

zyxwvutsr: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:10:41 EST

Do you know any vegans who have died of cancer?
I don't know any vegans. Do you know if any Chinese person has died of cancer?

thefadd: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:42:00 EST
Eh, that's how anybody who I know that kicked cancer did it.

thefadd: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:36:23 EST
Do you know any vegans who have died of cancer?

Steve Urkel: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:42:28 EST
Assuming the study is rigorous, how do you know that diet doesn't work only for people of Chinese descent?

Steve Urkel: other factors

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:22:42 EST
Did they correlate for marriage? Blacks are more likely to be unmarried. Think of the difference between a single woman diagnosed with cancer navigating the health care system on her own and a married woman diagnosed with cancer who has her husband to act

joshv: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:21:33 EST
Actually there are recent studies that indicate that carbohydrate intake is linked to cancer, there are some very promising animal models that actually saw tumor regression on a low/no carb diet, and researchers are starting to explore ketogenic diets as a

zyxwvutsr: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:16:13 EST

The China Study demonstrated pretty conclusively...
Conclusively? A book that's been charitably described as "a tower of vegan propaganda"?

thefadd: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:53:28 EST
Well, if you wanna talk facts, the fact of the matter is that cancer comes and goes in everyone's system. The China Study demonstrated pretty conclusively that cancer is a dietary issue that stems from too

joshv: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:29:31 EST
Well, my point was that even if you have two groups of people with access to the same level of healthcare, the mere reluctance of one group to visit the doctor could results in lower 5 year survival rates, even if both groups have roughly the same life exp

ms sue: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:23:08 EST
That being said, the conclusions do jive with my anecdotal understanding of cancer treatment in the US.
Although oddly humorous here, you should go with "jibe."

Dvandom: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:26:17 EST
Joshv's subq comment is also telling. He points out that five-year survival rates are highly dependent on when you get diagnosed. Even if every diagnosed cancer patient gets the same quality of treatment, someone without insurance is less likel

thefadd: Re: Racial Disparities In US Cancer Treatment

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:35:57 EST
Given that I don't support the use of cancer-causing chemotherapy as part of a cancer treatment regimen, paragraph two hardly concerns me. As for the final paragraph, a study regarding the treatment of breast cancer in men hardly seems like the study I'd p