Intelligent Design Gets Expelled (Trees And Things)

uncarved block: Au Contraire

Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:25:08 EST

I thought so at first, but if you check the Wikipedia entry, this seems to be entirely Stein's own gig-- well, he and several other conservatives. Darwin has been blamed for

thefadd: Re: It's Even Worse

Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:18 EST

I don't think Ben Stein really believes this tripe. He's simply too learned and cynical a man. He just wants to ensure our youth stay uneducated so they can't win his money.

thefadd: Re: A Little Follow Up

Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:18:04 EST

namely the co-opting of a favorite New Right tactic of making the persecution and not the issue the framing point of the discussion.

They learned well from the liberal politics of the 60's and 70's...nevermind that those people were persecuted

postillion: Re: Intelligent Design Gets Expelled

Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:04:57 EST

I was just reading that Kurt Godel believed in the transmigration of souls.

Maybe the Intelligent Design people should advocate for the teaching of the incompleteness theorem.

skeptic: Re: Millions of years

Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:33:28 EST

It would be just as easy (easier, actually) to believe that the Bible was actually written by Satan, than to believe that all the scientific evidence pertaining to the age of the Earth has been planted by Satan to deceive us.

The reason why I reg

uncarved block: It's Even Worse

Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:58:57 EST

These ID people are demanding to be taken seriously by scientists . .

If it were just that simple, there'd be no cause for the fuss and bother. As Lawrence Krauss points out when he speaks, though, the real problem is that the ID f

3fingerspointback: What is there to say

Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:01:37 EST

These ID people are demanding to be taken seriously by scientists, but so far, the only people who have even proposed a means that might somehow give the theory a little f

skeeter1: Re: It's turtles all the way down

Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:38:26 EST

"Don't misunderestimate me."

Well, that ranks up there as a up there as one of my favorite Bushisms.

Oh, it's going to be so boring if we get an intelligent president in office.

uncarved block: A Little Follow Up

Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:27:11 EST

Apparently the persecution just isn't going to stop, as invited journalists mock the lack of a forum for their questions at a recent press conference f

tomc: Re: How true.

Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:47:47 EST

Not to mention a redefinition of autoeroticism.

MayorBob: How true.

Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:19:48 EST

Not only would it give you a look that would stick out in a crowd but you'd have your own built-in shower massage.

Lou: Re: Forget the diseases

Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:42:42 EST

I've given this some thought and I can't really think of a better place for it. So, maybe better than a "where" is a "what". Instead of a standard human proboscis, what we need is something more like an AWAY with thee, Satan!

pO157: Re: ID Believers Have A Jewish Carpenter For A Bos

Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:26:22 EST

Tay-Sachs generally condemns the sufferer to a horrible, painful, agonizing and slow death much earlier than it would be possible to be relatively cognizant of your religious choice.

JimmyHavok: Re: One.

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:39:22 EST

You've exposed the secret: the "I" doesn't stand for "intelligent."

JimmyHavok: Re: It's turtles all the way down

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:36:06 EST

God is dead simple. That's why the religious find Him so easy to understand.

JimmyHavok: Re: Millions of years

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:34:25 EST

one method can be directly applied to confirm the efficacy of another

Aha! Proof that the Devil is faking the evidence!

Don't worry about the pedantry, that's why we are here. I learned much.

dzetetes: Re: Hand me the scalpel

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:38:57 EST

Well, given that ID is a fucking joke, I'd say that, yes, having absolutely no scientific background, and being an actor and pop-culture icon does perfectly situate one to be an ID proponent.

delete me: Re: ID Believers Have A Jewish Carpenter For A Bos

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:38:09 EST

What if the baby converts as soon as he or she can?

Lou: Forget the diseases

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:20:18 EST

Consider the humble nose. Who's friggen idea was it to put a dripping orifice right above our mouth?

And don't get me started about our beloved penises and vaginae. We have sex with the same thing we pee from?!

zyxwvutsr: Re: Millions of years

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:17:21 EST

Should they follow the evidence of carbon-dated fossils going back millions of years...

Forgive the pedantry, but this is a science discussion, right?

Anyway, due to the relatively short half-life of carbon-1

thefadd: Re: One.

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:05:53 EST

It's all part of the beautiful quilt of life woven by the Creator. It's the poignant beauty of a swan's broken neck, the drug-like adrenaline rush of a female grasshopper biting off her mate's head in one final snuff-fueled embrace of passion, it's...you g

MayorBob: ID Believers Have A Jewish Carpenter For A Boss.

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:28:26 EST

"What idiot approved the Tay-Sachs mutant?"

That would be our Christian Supreme Being's payback for choosing the wrong religion.

pO157: One.

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:21:39 EST

I'm going to need to go ahead and ask whatever creationist/ID proponent in this thread to go ahead and get me the contact information of their deity.

See, the thing is, I was talking to one of those laywers that runs those 1-800 personal injury legal se

joshv: It's turtles all the way down

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:55:59 EST

I've never heard an ID proponent sufficiently explain why God, being an entity that is clearly quite complex, doesn't himself require a designer to explain his complexity. After all, if you are going to claim that a simple flat worm is too complex to

tomc: Re: Stein should follow his own advice.

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:40:28 EST

Should they follow the evidence of carbon-dated fossils going back millions of years or the "evidence" presented in the bible which dates the entire age of the Earth as less than 10,000 years?

"I believe virtually everything I read, and I think t

MayorBob: Stein should follow his own advice.

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:12:43 EST

"Scientists are supposed to be allowed to follow the evidence wherever it may lead, no matter what the implications are."

So, exactly what evidence are scientists supposed to follow now? Should they follow the evidence of carbon-dated fossi

Lou: Hand me the scalpel

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:01:02 EST

From the 3rd link...

Stein is perfectly situated to weigh in on this issue, as he is an actor, a pop-culture icon, and at the same time a serious economist who has worked in academia and the government.

Perfectly situated? A actor, econo

PenitenziAgite: Re: I do like Ben Stein's commentary, but...

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:35:58 EST

The "rock-solid" comment was meant to be facetious...

thefadd: Re: Make Your Thoughts Known

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:55:06 EST

4414 Woodman? What a craphole! I pass by there every time I go to my g

keta: Make Your Thoughts Known

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:49:36 EST

As per the "disingenuous" link:

Mark Mathis
Rampant Films
4414 Woodman Ave. #203
Sherman Oaks, CA 91423
www.rampantfilms.com

Send him a note to let him know that he's acted like a disingenuous cunt.

skeeter1: I do like Ben Stein's commentary, but...

Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:35:04 EST

"The film's premise is that narrow-minded scientists, in a concerted effort to eliminate God from all areas of scientific inquiry, have refused to accept the rock-solid scientific basis for Intelligent Design."

No, there is absolutely no evidence