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Nameless Cynic: Clinton

Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:46:15 EST

Well, to be honest, I'm not a big fan of Hillary just lately. For the longest, I was happy with either her or Obama getting elected. But her current behavior, with the mudslinging at Obama and the Rovian attitude of "win at any cost" makes me wonder whethe

uncarved block: The Freak Show

Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:46:09 EST

Well, what you say is true, for the most part, but why it's true is more interesting to me. Was Hillary being hyped as "inevitable"? Sure, because that was what had worked for Bush in 2000, getting him past initial (and lasting!) doubt

thefadd: Re: Isn't The Media

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:17:06 EST

Well, right. There could certainly be an oblique inference there, even a drawing out of a fifth column reference.

pO157: Re: Isn't The Media

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:04:56 EST

D'oh. Or according to this wiki entry, the headline could still be factually correct. But it probably should have been 4th.

thefadd: Isn't The Media

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:03:04 EST

the fourth estate?

snwodttam: Pre-Obamamania bias

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 00:06:38 EST

So, yeah, we're in the middle of (imagine your local "Crazy Eddie" car dealer's voice here) O-Ba-Ma-Maaa-nia. And I guess that's gotta irk the Clinton camp a bit, but then thems the breaks right.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

And

postillion: Re: sleep in the bed you made

Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:42:03 EST

I guess this is a case of history not repeating twice, or at least not political campaign history.

Bill was the one who won the election by taking an unconventional tactic to the younger voters, by playing his saxophone on MTV and making political campa

pO157: Re: sleep in the bed you made

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:59:35 EST

Sadly you are right. The younger adults in this country frequently get treated like irresponsible second class citizens, and their issues ignored. This won't change until they start getting educated about the issues and start voting en masse to get things

wetkarma: Re: sleep in the bed you made

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:51:10 EST

Just because you can get your message out, doesn't mean that it will find resonance among the populace sufficient to persuade a voting majority. Those who are among the most active on the internet (young people) are also the least inclined to actually vote

pO157: Re: sleep in the bed you made

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:36:04 EST

The internet as an example provides every presidential candidate with quite the bully pulpit.

Tell that to Howard Dean or Ron Paul.

wetkarma: sleep in the bed you made

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:45:29 EST

As I recall Edwards made the same charge when virtually all media coverage was focused on Obama/Clinton prior to him dropping out. If you want to reach people, you need to find a way (to use a bushism) to catapult the media. The internet as an example prov

profwhat: Re: To Quote Mr. Nelson Muntz

Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:50:33 EST

Hillary's complaint is not that she is being ignored, but that the press is not being fair in how they treat her versus Obama. I kind of see her point; St. Barack is getting positive coverage just for having lots of well-attended rallies, while Hilla

MayorBob: Re: Hillary's Lament.

Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:39:01 EST

It was an especially disingenuous move on her part because it came as a segue from the topic of the Q&A at that point in the debate. The topic was supposed to be NAFTA, that baaaad treaty she secretly loathed the whole time her husband managed to

pO157: Re: Hillary's Lament.

Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:32:23 EST

Seriously. She is running as the experienced alternative and she has nothing to do at the debates but cry and moan? Come on. Who do they have running the campaign? She should not have even brought that up. That is why your campaign has hatchet (wo)men and

MayorBob: Hillary's Lament.

Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:15:10 EST

"I've noticed one thing in all these debates. I always get asked the first question. Now, I'm not complaining ..." This translates to "WAAAAAAAAHHHH. I'M COMPLAINING ALREADY HERE."

pO157: To Quote Mr. Nelson Muntz: "Haw haw!"

Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:19:26 EST

Yes, the media does unnaturally fixate on certain candidates and all but ignore others. I am sure others here will expound on this.

That said, I find it hard to have any sympathy for Hillary. There were other candidates running for nominations (Gravel