Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth Canal? (Trees And Things)

PenitenziAgite: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth Canal

Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:41:23 EST

Not only that, but she looks like she could shoot laser beams out of her eyes.

nmiguy: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth Canal

Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:19:14 EST

Have you seen John McCain's wife? If he hasn't had a heart attack yet, he's probably got a strong heart. (His wife is pretty attractive for her age.)

Lou: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth...

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:05:21 EST

A hell of a lot more worthy than the current idiot in office.

Sometimes I comfort myself by thinking that even if McCain wins this fall, he will still be a big step up from our current POTUS. Then I remember that my elderly cat would also

pO157: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth...

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 07:29:02 EST

Is he worthy of running for President? Fuck yes!

A hell of a lot more worthy than the current idiot in office. If only he would have pulled it out in '00.

I don't share the enthusiasm that some people hold for pushing for Arnold Sc

3fingerspointback: ...file a challenge with the courts...

Mon, 3 Mar 2008 03:55:53 EST
They can try, but I doubt they'd succeed. In the 2004 San Diego mayoral election, Donna Frye jumped in as a write-in candidate after the primaries, and ended up getting enough votes in the election that a manual count was required, which took a few w

Shy Elf: Re: "Natural born"

Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:36:30 EST
It's clear enough now that McCain is eligible, but Obama's proposed law really makes a mishmash of the law. As you point out, the pre

skeeter1: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth...

Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:02:26 EST
I guess I don't care what the NYT thinks. That newspaper (their slogan, "America's newspaper of record") is turning into more of a rag all the time. They badly need some new editors.
Whatever you think of
Sat, 1 Mar 2008 06:57:28 EST
Clearly, the Fourteenth Amendment which makes everyone born in the US a "natural born citizen" does not make McCain a "natural born citizen",
Actually the Fourteenth Amendment does not use the phrase "natural born citizen."
Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:23:57 EST
Enough with the Blackstone. Doesn't "natural born citizen" just mean that your birth alone makes you a citizen, with no further requirements? Clearly, the Fourteenth Amendment which makes everyone born in the US a "natural born citizen" does no

tomc: Fear

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:23:24 EST
no presidential candidate will ever raise this issue against an opponent for fear of looking like an asshole.
Candidates fear looking like assholes?

profwhat: NYT

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:13:18 EST
I found the story intriguing from the standpoint that this is at least the second story in a week the Times has published which could have benefited with a bit more time on the top of some editor's desk rather than being run.
Yeah -- you've hit u

MayorBob: Is John McCain A Natural Born Citizen?

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:26:17 EST
To answer the main question, yes, John McCain passes the natural born citizen test in my mind. I found the story intriguing from the standpoint that this is at least the second story in a week the Times has published which could have benefited with a

gerrymander: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth Canal

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:03:12 EST
Does making a big media circus out of this but having it turn out not to be a big deal at all, somehow soften things for Schwarzenegger, though?
I doubt it. I think the general understanding boils down to two principles: citizenship is inherited

profwhat: "Natural born"

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:44:33 EST
McCain is "natural born," at least as the term was used in the 18th century. Back then the term referred more to your citizenship at birth rather than where you were born. The meaning of "natural born" as understood by the drafters of the Cons

pO157: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth Canal

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:30:51 EST
You are right, gerry. No presidential candidate will ever raise this against an opponent. But in the event of a loss to a potentially ineligible person, the aggrieved loser's party will simply file a challenge with the courts... after the election. This wi

thefadd: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth Canal

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:56:05 EST
Does making a big media circus out of this but having it turn out not to be a big deal at all, somehow soften things for Schwarzenegger, though? Not I think he any longer has an actual chance at the Presidency.

gerrymander: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth Canal

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:51:29 EST
Seem like a ridiculous problem?
Short answer: yes. Unless the concern is over naturalized citizenship, no presidential candidate will ever raise this issue against an opponent for fear of looking like an asshole. Because the issue will never be a

pO157: Re: Did John McCain Come Out The Wrong Birth Canal

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:31:03 EST
And this is why Huckabee is still in the race. Well, that and the chance that a 70+ year old will have a heart attack during a given high stress 6 month period.
Sorry I'm just cynical.