zyxwvutsr: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:04:23 EST

...I'll await your answers

Here they are:

(In billions of nominal dollars except as noted.)

US Federal Spending:

2001    1,863.2
2002    2,011.2
2003    2,160.1

Steve Urkel: compare and contrast

Sat, 9 Feb 2008 18:48:17 EST

EDUCATION

Romney: Valedictorian of BYU, graduated from a joint Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration program coordinated between Harvard Law School (cum laude) and Harvard Business School (named a Baker Scholar for being in the top five

MayorBob: Heh, that subqueue comment came from Urkel.

Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:42:25 EST

It could be that Romney was more cartoonish than the other candidates (although Tancredo and Gravel did give him a run for his money).

delete me: Re: Another from the subq

Sat, 9 Feb 2008 11:38:51 EST

More Mormonish than the rest?

Lou: Another from the subq

Sat, 9 Feb 2008 10:56:31 EST

I'm not a Romneyite but by any objective standard he was certainly the most qualified candidate in the race.

And what standard is that? Nice hair? In that arena Edwards would surely give him a run for his money.

Flip floppin

uncarved block: I Was Wrong

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:17:56 EST

Hmn. Thought Romney would stick around for at least another month or two-- in fact, I wrote as much just a few days ago. And unlike a media pundit, I'll 'fess up to blowing a call or three. Oh well, live and learn.
What was

1fastdog: Re: like sailors i tells ya!

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:30:22 EST

Neither has proposed any cuts to federal spending other than ending the war in Iraq.

I don't disagree that they may not offer up any new cuts in federal spending - even though I wish they would, as it's profoundly out of control - but the possibi

shane: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:01:09 EST

Very good questions, I'll await your answers.

zyxwvutsr: Re: like sailors i tells ya!

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:01:04 EST

More tisk, tisking at these real world deals would seem more appropriate than your incessant use of Strawmen Of The Future^TM

These are not strawmen. Both of the leading Democratic presidential candidates

zyxwvutsr: Re: Stop... Budget time!

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:57:04 EST

So, I should have no problem with taking out a $200 a month car loan because that is dwarfed by my total debt and much less than my other annual waste, right?
Let's clarify the analogy: what I am saying is that liberals think

zyxwvutsr: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:53:56 EST

What facts where you talking about?
1. If the Bush tax cuts resulted in a higher budget deficit, that can only be because those tax cuts resulted in lower tax revenue. Do you accept the liberal meme that I described above? If

1fastdog: like sailors i tells ya!

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:30:59 EST
one must conclude that we would have massive budget deficits whether or not we started a war in Iraq. That conclusion is inescapable, but it is anathema to liberals nonetheless because they want to spend even more in the future.
Perhaps you shoul

pO157: Stop... Budget time!

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:27:07 EST
I'm $25,000 in credit card debt from my lifestyle choices. I spend $7000 a year on average more than I take in from income. So, I should have no problem with taking out a $200 a month car loan because that is dwarfed by my total debt and much less than my

shane: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:26:39 EST
I was talking about how to fix the problem with the deficit - and that started with an assumption (perhaps unsaid) of what I thought caused the problem. My numbers may have been off but the argument is largely still valid - the vast majority of the d

zyxwvutsr: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:21:19 EST
No, you were discussing a hypothetical future, and you got your facts wrong. (I corrected you then - go back and see.)

shane: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:09:00 EST
We've been through this before. I presented facts. Now it is your turn.

zyxwvutsr: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:46:13 EST
I should ask, what do you think caused the federal budget deficit to increase so dramatically? I mean, it was what, like $400 billion a couple years ago? How much do you think the Bush tax-cuts-for-the-rich cost? How much do you think

zyxwvutsr: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:41:59 EST
What, you never had a teacher who gave you homework? Christalmighty, man, in my day we had to actually get up off our bony little asses and go to the library to find facts. We didn't have Google and tubes.

shane: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:38:17 EST
Is that how you convince people with facts? Tell them to 'look it up'?

thefadd: Re: Interesting Wrinkle comes out of WV

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:35:50 EST
But he won Texas last night in an air hockey match with Stephen Colbert!

zyxwvutsr: Re: Wait, what? O_o

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:29:17 EST

So a discretionary war that costs $275,000,000 a day and is currently running around $500B in total costs had nothing at all to do with this deficit?
Every little bit hurts, of course, but when you consider that,
Fede

thefadd: Re: Goodbye, you horrible person

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:29:03 EST
I like your comparison for the most part but Edwards did run exactly the same campaign in '04 as in '08. I can see your points about the lack of sincerity in some of his positions but they aren't new positions for '08. This time, he just ran into stiffer c

zyxwvutsr: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:20:49 EST

Facts? What facts?
The facts about the federal budget increases, the size of the tax cuts, and tax revenue. Look it up and you'll see what I mean.

novy: Re: Sensible Call

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 13:09:09 EST
Romney's goodbye speech was something you would have expected George Bush to say in similar straits. It demonstrated that Romney has firmly hitched his wagon to his party's right-wing, and that his future political efforts will be based on his newfound "co

pO157: Wait, what? O_o

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:42:56 EST
So a discretionary war that costs $275,000,000 a day and is currently running around $500B in total costs had nothing at all to do with this The liberal meme continues

wetkarma: the pragmatic double-standard

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:29:37 EST

How would he create a million jobs? How would he link training to actual business needs? How much would a million housing vouchers cost (and what neighborhoods would the people move to)? How much would he deposit in the bank accounts of "working fa

zyxwvutsr: Re: Goodbye, you horrible person

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:06:49 EST

I didn't pay that close attention to his detailed campaign positions...
He didn't have many detailed positions, but here are the few somewhat detailed positions from the poverty policy section of his website:

zyxwvutsr: Re: Sensible Call

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:29:10 EST

McCain will get steamrollered by either Clinton or Obama
Obama yes, Clinton no. At least that's how it looks at the moment.

pO157: Interesting Wrinkle comes out of WV

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:22:39 EST
Apparently Romney had offered Paul's delegates five slots out of the state's 18 to the GOP convention if they threw their support to him. They declined i

MayorBob: Mitt, Not Huckabee, Was The Huckster

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:59:20 EST
But, in retrospect, I'm convinced that there was no better purveyor of the least common political denominator among the major candidates than Mitt Romney. Nothing exemplified this better than the speech he made to bow out of the race for the nominati

pO157: Re: Goodbye, you horrible person

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 08:58:27 EST
But dude, he had magic hair! And he is young, so that makes him better than McCain because as we all know the candidates age and
Maybe in terms of public awareness this was true. But he was the first major candidate who made a

profwhat: Re: Goodbye, you horrible person

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:28:47 EST
Democrats have been calling for universal health care since Harry Truman proposed it in 1945. They have been calling for giving "poor people a share of the productivity generated by the rich" for a long time before then (although they usually d

wetkarma: Re: Goodbye, you horrible person

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 03:13:19 EST
The republican version of John Edwards? Really? John Edwards single-handedly shifted the Democratic party's position on universal health care, demanded that poor people have a share of the productivity generated by the rich, and generally staked out a posi

jwb: Re: Sensible Call

Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:03:07 EST
Romney has demonstrated one thing and only one thing: he is an incomparable fucknozzle. His speech when departing the race was absurd. Surrender to terror? Nation at war? The magnitude of this douchebaggery is almost unimaginable.

profwhat: Goodbye, you horrible person

Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:42:05 EST
Mitt Romney was the Republican version of John Edwards, and I hated Edwards, too. He is a self-funded millionaire candidate who has no ideas of his own, few principles to guide him, and, essentially, no one really wanting him to be president. A

novy: Re: A Quick End To The Republican Race

Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:12:47 EST
Huckabee will now be that competition. If conservatives bemoan Huckabee's own drawbacks, perhaps that will make them remember Romney with greater affection when he runs again in 2012.

novy: Sensible Call

Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:11:24 EST
Mitt Romney's departure from Republican race speaks well for his grasp of business and common sense. He has been financing his own race, and his chances of pulling it off at this point have become extremely small. If McCain loses in November, which must st

thefadd: A Quick End To The Republican Race

Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:04:59 EST
I thought it was cool when the McCain's folks threw their weight behind the Huckster in order to keep Romney from winning in WV but now I'm not so sure. I would like to have seen some more genuine competition for McCain during the primaries.

Mitt Quit (Trees And Things)

zyxwvutsr: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

Steve Urkel: compare and contrast

MayorBob: Heh, that subqueue comment came from Urkel.

delete me: Re: Another from the subq

Lou: Another from the subq

uncarved block: I Was Wrong

1fastdog: Re: like sailors i tells ya!

shane: Re: the pragmatic double-standard

zyxwvutsr: Re: like sailors i tells ya!

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1fastdog: like sailors i tells ya!

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novy: Re: Sensible Call

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wetkarma: the pragmatic double-standard

zyxwvutsr: Re: Goodbye, you horrible person

zyxwvutsr: Re: Sensible Call

pO157: Interesting Wrinkle comes out of WV

MayorBob: Mitt, Not Huckabee, Was The Huckster

pO157: Re: Goodbye, you horrible person

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wetkarma: Re: Goodbye, you horrible person

jwb: Re: Sensible Call

profwhat: Goodbye, you horrible person

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novy: Sensible Call

thefadd: A Quick End To The Republican Race