Lutherans: Marriage = 1 Man, 1 Woman, In a Sketchy Church Basement with a Hot Dish, dontcha know? (Trees And Things) http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/3/14/222427/476 The <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.elca.org/">Evangelical Lutheran Church of America</a> recently announced, in a non-judgmental way of course, that marriage should <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23617737/">continue to be defined as between one man and one women</a>. And a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3942/is_200302/ai_n9230723">metric</a> shit load of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lwr.org/coffee/faith.asp">coffee</a>. en-us Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:08:04 EST Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:52:15 EST skeptic: Can religion be saved? http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/3/14/222427/476#8 It is possible for me to find both good and bad aspects of religion despite the fact that I am profoundly skeptical about all religions.  To begin with good aspects, I have known some very kind and helpful people whose benevolence seemed to be connect Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:52:15 EST pO157: Re: Did we really expect anything else? http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/3/14/222427/476#7 That would be the difference. The ELCA is like a massive love-in from the 70s or something, and the LCMS is like your frustrated Aunt Sally who is bitter and vindictive because nobody likes her despite all the money she invests in costume jewelry and purpl Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:52:14 EST ivyafire: Re: Did we really expect anything else? http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/3/14/222427/476#6 definitely LCMS Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:10:29 EST port1080: Re: Did we really expect anything else? http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/3/14/222427/476#5 <i>The Lutherans I've known were not very accepting and fairly repressed.</i><p> Well, the big question is were they <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELCA">ELCA</a> or <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_Church Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:16:33 EST ivyafire: Re: Did we really expect anything else? http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/3/14/222427/476#4 I have to agree with Shy Elf.  The Lutherans I've known were not very accepting and fairly repressed.  Between the Lutherans, the Catholics and the Baptists I've known, I've been turned off of organized religion in general.<p> I hope they aren't Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:43:08 EST port1080: Re: Did we really expect anything else? http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/3/14/222427/476#3 Yeah, I grew up an ELCA Lutheran and I think that probably the number one unifying thing about Lutherans is a desire to go to church, sit in the back, get communion one Sunday a month (can't do it every week - makes church take too long!) and otherwise hav Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:47:43 EST pO157: My 2¢(by 2¢ I mean tangential, personal anecdote) http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/3/14/222427/476#2 I grew up ELCA Lutheran. Since this debate has been going on for many many years I recall hearing about in at least 3 congregations. I suppose that is a good thing, because if somebody put a gun to my head and told me I must be a member of any organized Ch Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:46:28 EST Shy Elf: Did we really expect anything else? http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/3/14/222427/476#1 Lutherans have always been highly eclectic, even with the service ceremonies which can run from very close to Roman Catholic to very modern.<p> Despite the headlines, they just decided to punt.  They left their definition of marriage the same, but (ac Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:29:28 EST Search Trees And Things string http://www.treesandthings.com/search/