Science: From beakers and bacteria to quorums and quotas? (Trees And Things)

simokon: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:31:18 EST

I am not sure but I think it is a numerical and cultural difference. The population of India and China is in the billions. They may have the same percentage of "really bright people" but numerically there are more. Thus they get sent abroad and these

JimmyHavok: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:29:46 EST

Longer is better. Pass it on.

postillion: Re: gotta love those white boys

Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:23:29 EST

From having attended two high schools, one in Texas and another in New York, as a teenager, I would say that standards in subjects vary radically throughout the nation. And within each of the schools, standards again varied depending on whether one was in

Steve Urkel: Re: gotta love those white boys

Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:20:19 EST

SAT 2 takers are those that have taken "college-preparatory mathematics for more than three years, including two years of algebra, one year of geometry, and elementary functions (precalculus) and/or trigonometry." As I noted above, the SAT has been c

PenitenziAgite: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:59:09 EST

Ok, but that doesn't answer the question. Do you get more points for a longer essay or a shorter one?

JimmyHavok: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:51:01 EST

I'm basing my conclusion in research done on the SATs, which I though were sold by the same company...I was wrong. But grades on the SAT essay tests were accurately graded at from across the room by a skeptical researcher, who showed that they were g

JimmyHavok: Re: gotta love those white boys

Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:48:10 EST

I had to search pretty hard to find an actual graph of the distributions of SAT scores...unfortunately, it's not of the population at l

Steve Urkel: Re: gotta love those white boys

Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:17:43 EST

SAT scores reflect the differences in intelligence (the old SAT use to have a strong correlation with IQ, the newer one not as much). Given that girls can't do as well as boys on the simple math required for the SAT, it shouldn't be surprising they avoid m

PenitenziAgite: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Sun, 9 Mar 2008 18:17:51 EST

In what way? I mean, do they award more points for succinctness or for wordiness?

JimmyHavok: anecdotal experience

Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:03:50 EST

Having recently completed my BA, I noticed the higher proportion of women at my college. During my last year, every class I took had a high number of collaborative projects, and without fail, the women I worked with contributed more and higher qualit

postillion: Re: Reality is biased

Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:58:04 EST

There is one very major problem with the study that is driving this movement, and that is that the study was done by almost all women. Economists have picked up on this as possibly skewing the study with bias. And it seems that as scientists, t

JimmyHavok: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:22:31 EST

All the writing sample tests is how many words you can put down on paper in a given time. Scores are directly proportional to the length of the essay.

Keep that in mind if you have to take the GRE.

JimmyHavok: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:18:57 EST

in the "real world" memorizing your way to the top or always agreeing with the professor is not going to get you a job

You don't have much experience in the "real world," do you?

JimmyHavok: gotta love those white boys

Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:14:50 EST

And everybody knows the SATs are an unbiased, finely tuned and completely accurate measure of intelligence...whatever the heck that is.

postillion: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:48:42 EST

I am not sure. It's a good question.

Although I would also note that Korean scientists strike me as being very ambitious. And furthermore, they are not limited as much in what they can research as the American scientists are in certain areas

pO157: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:44:27 EST

Sure, but doesn't that stunt the scientific growth of those countries? If all the grad students, researchers and post-docs just do what some professor says without question or independent thinking? Where is the innovation coming from?

Imagine what they

postillion: Re: Reality is biased

Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:48:18 EST

Actually, there is one recent discovery that might be attributable specifically to the scientist being a woman:

Vocabulary skills

Math skills

Logic

None of these things are really related to what one will be doing in grad school which in my experience

Steve Urkel: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Sat, 8 Mar 2008 18:51:26 EST

I don't think IQ is everything (and I agree with you re: creativity). But it, and the difference in math ability between males and females, is certainly relevant to explaining why the science and engineering fields look like they do, and is reason enough t

postillion: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:31:30 EST

Perception can mean a great deal in how people perceive these issues.

Sorry, tautology there.

I guess I just mean that one should consider how much perception colors one's ideas about race and gender, whether for the positive or the negative.

postillion: Re: Science: From beakers and bacteria to

Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:27:53 EST

Asians do have higher average IQ's, this is well established.

If IQs were everything in life, I doubt that I would have been born to a country split in half and that has now spent a great deal of its national resources on propping up a border and