Animal Cruelty Or Art? (Trees And Things)

postillion: Re: Words, not art

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:06:21 EST

To my mind, any country not rich enough for the average family to afford a dependent sucks by definition.

Maybe if the U.S. hadn't sucked so much of Latin America's natural resources by going in with multinational corporations, Latin America woul

Lou: Re: Shvarts on Shvarts

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:20:18 EST

Get a room, boys.

Steve Urkel: Re: Shvarts on Shvarts

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:38:03 EST

That's your solution for everything.

thefadd: Re: Shvarts on Shvarts

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:24:18 EST

I'll be more crass than you, Urk. I think she just needs some dick.

Steve Urkel: Re: Shvarts on Shvarts

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:55:01 EST

It's gibberish, but I think she's accurately expressing what's in her head.

JimmyHavok: Re: Shvarts on Shvarts

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:03:20 EST

I'm sure that's very intimidating to people who don't like big words or long sentences.

postillion: Re: Shvarts on Shvarts

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:44:50 EST

I am in total agreement. I hate the recent practice of an "artist's statement." After all, if an artist isn't saying what she needs to say visually, she shouldn't be an artist.

thefadd: Re: Shvarts on Shvarts

Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:59:31 EST

That's why I never read the crap artists write about their art. What they're good at is art, otherwise their art would be writing.

Steve Urkel: Shvarts on Shvarts

Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:20:34 EST

She may not have learned anything about art, but she has devloped a thorough command of pomo cant:

This piece -- in its textual and sculptural forms -- is meant to cal

Steve Urkel: Re: Yes she said yes yes

Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:58:36 EST

I know you have a hard time grasping anything that doesn't fit into your pre-concieved, over-simplified categories, but I happen to like art, and admire a variety of contemporary artists (you should try going to a museum or an art gallery some time, I thin

JimmyHavok: Yes she said yes yes

Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:44:38 EST

Yes, I'm sure you arrived at the lumpen consensus all by your little lonesome self.

postillion: Re: Words, not art

Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:05:42 EST

A homeless man in the street can beg and scavenge for food.

There have been some homeless people who have shed more light on the reality of life than quite a few artists.

There's one guy around Times Square who sits with a sign propped

postillion: Re: I was never told that

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:25:14 EST

Actually, the great thing about the Whitney Biennial is that it's not just about establishment art but that the Whitney actively tries to find young artists who are not well known and who are not necessarily represented by agents when they are asked by the

Steve Urkel: Re: Yes, yes

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:36:49 EST

Why do you find it impossible to believe someone has his own taste and draws his own conclusions? Because you have no taste, and are incapable of drawing your own conclusions?

JimmyHavok: Yes, yes

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:19:44 EST

We all know what a contrarian thinker you are.

Steve Urkel: Re: You weren't paying attention

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:23:15 EST

My views of the current state of the art world are based on first hand observation.

Those who reject all modern art out of hand typically aren't really interested in art at all, so they are easy to ignore. On the other hand I have been exposed to consi

JimmyHavok: You weren't paying attention

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:06:29 EST

No, you were paying attention, you just heard it so many times you forgot that someone told you to think that.

Steve Urkel: I was never told that

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:35:57 EST

Well there is enourmous amounts of crap out there, and unfortunately the art establishment actively promotes it.

JimmyHavok: power of repetition

Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:04:21 EST

It's like people's opinions about schools: the one they know is great, all the rest are screwed up. We've been told for a hundred years that modern art is crap, and so everyone believes that modern art is crap, except for the stuff that they know abo

Steve Urkel: Re: How about we get him to starve her?

Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:14:17 EST

I agree much of the academy is screwed up, but there are a lot of good professional artists around (and as far as I can tell, no great ones), and not everyone in the academy is fraud, you just don't notice them because the Shvarts of the world get so much

JimmyHavok: Re: How about we get him to starve her?

Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:57:09 EST

Everything you buy is covered with stuff created by people who took academic art courses.

profwhat: Re: How about we get him to starve her?

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:57:51 EST

You know, the "big reveal" may still be revealing. Shvarts is firing back and saying that the Yale statement was "ultimately inaccurate." And:

And while so

profwhat: Re: How about we get him to starve her?

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:51:11 EST

The art made by ordinary people in the course of their everyday lives continues to amaze me. The art made by professional artists, or people who have devoted their academic life to studying nothing but art, not so much.

JimmyHavok: Re: How about we get him to starve her?

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:45:05 EST

She's like an outrageous hypothetical dreamed up by an abortion opponent

That's what makes it art, and very effective political art at that. It's too bad Yale had to out her...or maybe it's not, since the big reveal is what makes it such an

JimmyHavok: Re: Words, not art

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:42:33 EST

A dog in the street can scratch around and find food. A homeless man in the street can beg and scavenge for food.

A dog on a leash and a man in a cage cannot.

thefadd: Re: How about we get him to starve her?

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:17:20 EST

What's sad about it? I'd go see it if it were real.

Steve Urkel: Re: How about we get him to starve her?

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:39:36 EST

It's a sad commentary on the current state of the 'arts' that it seemed entirely plausible, isn't it?

Lou: True art

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:37:59 EST

How about we tie Rush up on a street corner in the Castro with a pile of Oxy just out of reach.

Lou: Re: Answering your own question

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:26:21 EST

Sorry...I must have missed the billboard that spells out your standard "Latin America Sucks" clarification.

gerrymander: Re: Words, not art

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:31:40 EST

Or maybe the question is: which countries are rich enough to afford pets?

To my mind, any country not rich enough for the average family to afford a dependent sucks by definition.

gerrymander: Re: Answering your own question

Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:25:56 EST

My standard answer is, "Latin America sucks because of a combination of unfair and productivity-killing Old World land tenancy traditions, and similarly unfair and unworkable socialist policies." I don't know who you've been talking to.

Lou: Answering your own question

Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:55:19 EST

"why does Latin America suck?"

Because the people there are generally less fair of hue than you? I mean, isn't that the standard answer?

postillion: Re: Words, not art

Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:53:55 EST

Agency implies responsibility. Starving dogs in the streets of Honduras are likely ownerless, and are therefore part of the same class as all other ownerless animals. They can hunt and scavenge just like every other animal did prior to civilization.

gerrymander: Re: Words, not art

Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:38:22 EST

Why is it that there are starving dogs that nobody stops to protest but when it's an art exhibit, there's a petition?

Agency implies responsibility. Starving dogs in the streets of Honduras are likely ownerless, and are therefore part of the same

profwhat: Re: How about we get him to starve her?

Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:50:44 EST

Oh, wait. She's not real. Downmod me, please.

postillion: Words, not art

Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:46:41 EST

I would say it's impossible to have an informed opinion without seeing the pieces. When Giuliani was mayor of NYC, he condemned the Sensation exhibit when he heard that there was a painting of the Virgin Mary with pieces of elephant dung. Yet,

profwhat: Re: How about we get him to starve her?

Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:46:15 EST

Holy crap, that story deserves a writeup of its own. She's like an outrageous hypothetical dreamed up by an abortion opponent, except she's real.

MayorBob: Hey, Yale Is Where George Bush Went To School!

Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:29:50 EST

Must be something in the New Haven water supply. I hope nobody in Shvarts dorm used her turkey baster on the Thanksgiving Day bird.

Steve Urkel: How about we get him to starve her?

Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:20:27 EST

In case anyone has the idea that all the really great art is only happening outside the US, I give you Aliza Shvarts.