Ben Stein And Intelligent Design: Truth Sings The Devolution Blues (Trees And Things)

thefadd: Re: Only one falsehood that I'm aware of.

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:29:55 EST

My favorite story about the Aroostook War is that the two sides sent negotiators to talk to one another. Each of the two negotiating teams had maps that "unequivocally demonstrated" their side's legitimate claim. The thing was settled when the two teams si

zyxwvutsr: Re: Only one falsehood that I'm aware of.

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:46:29 EST

The US never invaded Canada

Oh, but we came close to doing so.

MayorBob: Oops.

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:19:33 EST

Thank you for catching my obvious mistake. But, that was way back in our youthful, boisterous period as a nation (you know how those footloose youths can be). We've moved past that and would never, ever think about invading another country now,

Lou: Yep, we did

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:52:33 EST

Invade Canada that is.

delete me: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:37:23 EST

Yes, aside from the whole Christian god [...]

Hold up. I thought "intelligent" design meant that the world wasn't created by some god that got pissy with fig trees.

thefadd: Apparently

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:58:45 EST

The filmmakers thought they could get away with "fair use" of John Lennon's song Imagine in their film. Yoko Ono is now suing to have distribution of the film with

thefadd: Re: Only one falsehood that I'm aware of.

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:40:26 EST
Sure, we've invaded Canada plenty of times!

MayorBob: Only one falsehood that I'm aware of.

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:36:25 EST
The US never invaded Canada.

thefadd: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:20:57 EST
Only a fraction of the deceits are outright falsehoods, and I'm sure that's so for Expelled too.
Yes, aside from the whole Christian god creating the universe in seven days thing and the little bit about intelligent design being scientific. I

arromdee: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:25:19 EST
If you want one that's harder to make jokes about, Moore claimed that Enron would benefit from the pre-1998 proposed Unocal pipeline.
The problem is that in propaganda like this most of the deceit is done by insinuation, juxtaposition of things to make

delete me: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:17:22 EST
Mr. Moore claimed Mr. Bush was reading "My Pet Goat", when instead he was reading "The Pet Goat".

Territan: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:21:26 EST
Let's start with the falsehoods. Link, please.

arromdee: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:43:37 EST
Do falsehoods and misleading editing count?

PenitenziAgite: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:13:35 EST
Can you show one documented example of where Michael Moore lied about something?

thefadd: ok I'll bite

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:06:10 EST
When didn't Michael Moore tell the truth? He spins things his way like any media maven but he also documents all his points. Despite his asserting controversial facts relating to relevant public issues and figures, he's never been so much as sued an court

arromdee: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design...

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:13:39 EST
What I find amusing about this is that now non-rightwingers have to admit that Michael Moore isn't telling the truth, just because a right-wing nut came up with a movie that used similar tactics. There were some interviews on the Skepticality podcast

keta: Ho Hum

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:02:43 EST
More bullshit from those that believe in a Big Kahuna, and how they're persecuted for their efforts.
Fuck 'em all.

logan: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design: Truth Sings

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:48:42 EST
I thought you were doing a meta thing about infinite regressions of creators.

Lou: RE: Strawman evolution

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:23:05 EST
so many 'Darwinist' critics of intelligent design not only seem to think that human beings throughout the world have all evolved identically but attack scientists like James Watson who state obvious truths about human evolution.
So, what do you t

Steve Urkel: Evolution good! But only up to a certain point

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:20:01 EST
ID is absurd, it and this film deserve ridicule, but I find it strange that so many 'Darwinist' critics of intelligent design not only seem to think that human beings throughout the world have all evolved identically but attack scientists like James Watson

JimmyHavok: Truthiness croaks

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:56:06 EST
The trailer they've been showing on TV makes it pretty obvious what kind of a piece of garbage the movie is: the Darwinists are played by disheveled old men with lunatic eyes.
Apparently Ben Stein was as afraid of having an unvetted audience at the prem

joshv: Re: My problem with ID

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:04:57 EST
oops, sorry about the double post. It said the first post failed, apparently it didn't.

joshv: My problem with ID

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:03:39 EST
If complex things require a designer, the designer must itself be even more complex than the thing designed, and thus must in turn require a designer. We then have an infinite regression of ever more complex designers - a clearly ridiculous result I

joshv: My problem with ID

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:03:24 EST
If complex things require a designer, the designer must itself be even more complex than the thing designed, and thus must in turn require a designer. We then have an infinite regression of ever more complex designers - a clearly ridiculous result I

skeeter1: Re: Ben Stein And Intelligent Design: Truth Sings

Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:39:43 EST
At one time, I used to like Ben Stein, but no longer. I'm a life-long scientist (biology, medical technology, anthropology, chemistry), and although I'm also an arm-chair Christian, I firmly believe in evolution. The whole