Absolutly Outrageous! (Trees And Things)

PenitenziAgite: Re: Absolut Truth

Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:31:41 EST

There was plenty of might in Iraq. The trouble is that might is just a mere mite in this fight, because our fight is not right.

PenitenziAgite: Re: Aye, yii, yii, yiiii

Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:19:58 EST

I was on a business trip to Bulgaria a couple of years ago, and I bought some cheap generic Bulgarian vodka. It must be a cut above the Macedonian stuff, but it was pretty heinous. It tasted as though is wasn't so much distilled as sy

JimmyHavok: Re: Aye, yii, yii, yiiii

Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:04:51 EST
One of my girlfriend's co-workers went back home to Macedonia, and brought back some Bison (bee-sown) Vodka. Now that tasted like it had been made in a paint factory.

Lou: Re: Absolut Truth

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:02:08 EST
Well, maybe there's something to that?
Upon sober reflection (like I'm sober right now, ha!), I have to agree with you. In fact, if we follow the bouncing ball of history, we might see something like this:
Whoa ho! We are the Aztec

PenitenziAgite: Re: Absolutly Outrageous!

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:03:59 EST
I, for one, am deeply offended by this ad that is running in publications I will never read in a country I do not live in. How dare they bring up the fact that an entire portion of the U.S. was once part of Mexico.

thefadd: Re: Aye, yii, yii, yiiii

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:00:43 EST
You won't get an argument on that here.

PenitenziAgite: Re: Aye, yii, yii, yiiii

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:55:20 EST
So does Absolut, for that matter. Go buy some Московская if you want real vodka. Absolut tastes like it was made in a lab.

port1080: Re: Absolut Truth

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:34:23 EST
However, if it's a war where numerous alliances are made, the leading nations will have to make appeals to other nations for military and financial support based on a number of factors including military might, political advantages, and sometimes moral

JimmyHavok: Re: Absolut Truth

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:06:09 EST
It's a question of the prescriptive vs. the descriptive.

thefadd: Re: Absolut Truth

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:58:45 EST
What's that?

postillion: Re: Absolut Truth

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:49:06 EST
I would think this could partly depend on whether a nation needs allies in a war or not. If it's one nation pitted against another nation with no other nation involved, it will almost inevitably be the case of the mightier nation winning out.
Howe

port1080: Re: Absolut Truth

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:07:06 EST
Class (in unison): MIGHT MAKES RIGHT!

Well, maybe there's something to that?

JimmyHavok: Re: Which man did I attack here?

Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:20:30 EST
Magazine ads in Spanish damage your liver? Is that Lou Dobbs Disease?

Lou: Re: Absolut Truth

Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:16:46 EST
"In 1845, the recently-turned independent Mexico asserted its authority over Texas and the North American Southwest. After two years and nine major battles -- all of which were resounding defeats for the Mexican troops -- the United States proved that M

MayorBob: Re: Which man did I attack here?

Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:29:07 EST
And if I were to rely upon Swedish vodka companies for my "education" I'd probably end up with liver damage before I achieve enlightenment.

JimmyHavok: Re: Which man did I attack here?

Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:26:55 EST
If you're going to piss about the sources of education, you'll never get very educated.

MayorBob: Which man did I attack here?

Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:56:54 EST
Oh, you mean because they're Swedish and not Mexican, I have no right to an opinion about the company's motives behind the campaign? That's just rude.

JimmyHavok: Re: Absolut Truth

Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:20:20 EST
That's called an ad hominem argument. It's a classic fallacy.

postillion: Re: Absolut Truth

Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:54:45 EST
I don't know if he even knew about the Mexican-American War, but we certainly didn't hear about it in his class.
If you had lived in Texas as a kid like me, you could have gotten a year of nothing but the Mexican-American war.
Al

gerrymander: Re: Absolut Truth

Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:29:57 EST
To be fair to your teacher, as wars go the Mexican-American War was pretty low-grade. I mean, you can teach the whole thing in a few sentences:
"In 1845, the recently-turned independent Mexico asserted its authority over Texas and the North American Sou

MayorBob: Re: Absolut Truth

Wed, 9 Apr 2008 06:16:37 EST
And we all know that Swedish vodka companies are go-to guys for history lessons. I might be able to confer some sort of educational value to Absolut's "lesson" if it were, say, a Mexican brand of booze -- at least they have national pride to explain

JimmyHavok: Re: Absolut Truth

Wed, 9 Apr 2008 04:22:07 EST
The border is where it is, today, a done deal. But that doesn't mean we should forget how it got there, and get mad when someone actually talks about it.
I had a history teacher in high school who believed that history consisted of the battles tha

port1080: Re: Absolut Truth

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 22:24:05 EST
This ad brings up a nasty bit of American history, and there are certain people don't like being reminded of history.
The thing about history is that, well, it's history. If you go back far enough everybody's fucked over someone else. U.S.

JimmyHavok: Absolut Truth

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:33:00 EST
This ad brings up a nasty bit of American history, and there are certain people don't like being reminded of history. They'd much rather push it down in the memory hole, so they can go on feeling like they are the victims, and therefore justified in

postillion: Re: Absolutly Outrageous!

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:23:52 EST
If Absolut is going to pander to imperialism, then by God it can pander to my imperialism, too. Run a US-wide ad that shows an "Absolut World America",
The real problem with running such an ad in America is that Americans would actually take it s

keta: Re: Aye, yii, yii, yiiii

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:29:24 EST
Man, I loved that song as a kid. Drove my parents bonkers singing it day and night.

keta: Re: Hilarious

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:27:56 EST
Probably. And I'd laugh my ass off at those humourless twits, too.

Steve Urkel: It's not like Absolute is great, either

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:09:19 EST
Sucks? They put the fun in onions to make Funyons.

thefadd: Re: Absolutly Outrageous!

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:08:56 EST
"IN AN ABSOLUT WORLD" in Sweden with the Swedish map redrawn to include all the territories of the 18th century Swedish Empire*?
I think they absolutely should. What peoples in their right mind wouldn't greet as liberators the shock and awe of

thefadd: Re: Aye, yii, yii, yiiii

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:06:49 EST
But Frito Lay sucks.

Steve Urkel: Aye, yii, yii, yiiii

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:56:32 EST
I'm all for jokes, but I also believe in justice. Since the Mexicans forced Frito Lay to get rid of the delightful Frito Bandito, Americans forcing Absolute to get rid of this ad is en

port1080: Re: There's a short answer to your question.

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:46:29 EST
If Absolut thought it would sell them a single case more of their vodka, yes, Absolut would run it...I'm guessing here, but I bet that this ad doesn't really cost Absolut any real business in the US
That's my point though - I do think it will

MayorBob: There's a short answer to your question.

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:34:37 EST
If Absolut thought it would sell them a single case more of their vodka, yes, Absolut would run it.
As soon as they caught heat from the US (I gotta believe a much larger market for vodka than Mexico) over the ad, it didn't take them long to say

port1080: Re: Hilarious

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:27:55 EST
Do you not think there'd be a similar brouhaha in Canada if Absolut had run a campaign in Quebec mapping out all of the former French Canadian territories as an independent country?

port1080: Re: Absolutly Outrageous!

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:22:45 EST
Who green lighted this campaign? It's right up there with the abortive Volkswagen "chutzpah" campaign from a few years back. I'm not a particularly PC person, but nonetheless, I think the conservative bloggers have something of a point with this one. Wo

keta: Hilarious

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:07:58 EST
The brouhaha over this offers a simple reminder that the absurdist element that brought us "Freedom Fries" is alive and well in the US.
America never ceases to amuse in its complete and utter inability to take a joke at its own expense.

gerrymander: Re: Absolutly Outrageous!

Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:11:49 EST
The most offensive thing about this ad campaign is how one-sided it is. If Absolut is going to pander to imperialism, then by God it can pander to my imperialism, too. Run a US-wide ad that shows an "Absolut World America", where the northern border