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<title>Blood And Guts As Rites Of Passage -- Mixed Martial Arts For Kiddies (Trees And Things)</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319</link>
<description>This is a development which, I'm sure, will throw Steve Urkel into a tizzy. &#160;It looks like the last bastion of cage matches for kiddies is about to be closed down. &#160;Yes, if a bunch of panty-waisted, fuzzy-thinking, "let's think about the children" types have their way, Missouri will &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/o/1110/04-04-2008/20080404055007_02.html">no longer be able to show you an underaged cage fighter&lt;/a>.</description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:57:52 EST</pubDate>
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<title>cmoney8622: help</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#24</link>
<description>HEy ia m looking for a good mma gym in okc can any one help me out email me at cmoney8622@yahoo.com</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:50:10 EST</pubDate>
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<title>DEMachina: Re: Blood And Guts As Rites Of Passage -- Mixed Ma</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#23</link>
<description>You make good points, definitely. &#160;I think you just have more faith in the training these kids get than I do; it all depends on what they're taught (and how well).</description>
<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:28:11 EST</pubDate>
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<title>HidingFromGoro: Re: Blood And Guts As Rites Of Passage -- Mixed Ma</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#22</link>
<description>&lt;i>I worry more about kids thinking they can fight when they can't necessarily.&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;Again, having done both MMA-type sports and traditional martial arts for a number of years, I still think having the kid doing submission fighting is a solution to this </description>
<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:44:47 EST</pubDate>
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<title>JimmyHavok: Re: Blood And Guts As Rites Of Passage -- Mixed Ma</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#21</link>
<description>&lt;i>what happens when he gets pissed at and decides to start something with an 18-year-old who has 80 pounds on him? &#160;&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;He deserves the same thing he would get if he didn't have MMA training: a little punching around.&lt;p>&#10;I'd say some of the value</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:10:54 EST</pubDate>
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<title>thefadd: Re: Blood And Guts As Rites Of Passage -- Mixed Ma</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#20</link>
<description>&lt;i>If one of them really does have to defend themselves, they're going to be limited by what the tournament rules say you can and can't do.  So it takes a serious level of self-control to be able to separate the cage from a real-life fight, and I wouldn't </description>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:53:12 EST</pubDate>
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<title>T Slothrop: Re: Irvin Mainway Lives!</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#19</link>
<description>I know this comment is a couple of days old so no one is likely to see it, but if yer gonna talk about Mr. Mainway, you gotta talk about his highest achievement: the "Johnny Human Torch" Halloween costume - oily rags and a butane lighter.&lt;p>&#10;Hours... errr </description>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:17:14 EST</pubDate>
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<title>DEMachina: Re: Blood And Guts As Rites Of Passage -- Mixed Ma</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#18</link>
<description>I agree that it's stupid to single this sport out because of possible injury (as people have mentioned, football et. al. are probably almost as bad).&lt;p>&#10;I worry more about kids thinking they can fight when they can't necessarily. &#160;The martial arts use</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:40:44 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Lou: Somewhere in a prison near you</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#17</link>
<description>Michael Vick sits pondering his fate. &#160;He thinks...my football career is over...they took my kennel away. &#160;What will I do?&lt;p>&#10;Suddenly, his eye falls on a magazine on a table in the day room. &#160;What's this? &#160;Children Involved in Ultimate</description>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:59:09 EST</pubDate>
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<title>JimmyHavok: Re: Self Defense</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#16</link>
<description>I was kind of dismissive of kata until I noticed that I was using the moves in sparring without thinking about it.</description>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:21:34 EST</pubDate>
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<title>JimmyHavok: Re: Sweet Science?</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#15</link>
<description>Thanks for the first-person account, I'd just googled up "&lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=youth+boxing&amp;btnG=Google+Search">youth boxing&lt;/a>" for the same purpose.</description>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:19:45 EST</pubDate>
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<title>JimmyHavok: Re: More sportdanger!</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#14</link>
<description>If you're good at polo, you don't need money. &#160;My friend's father had two lines of work: marrying rich, and playing polo. &#160;He was good enough that one of the members of a team that wanted him would give him a do-nothing job for being on the team.</description>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:14:59 EST</pubDate>
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<title>thefadd: Re: More sportdanger!</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#13</link>
<description>Try &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.afghan-network.net/Culture/buzkashi.html">buzkashi&lt;/a>. Just like polo but for the (Afghan) masses!</description>
<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:37:58 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: Re: More sportdanger!</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#12</link>
<description>As is Polo, probably. I always wanted to play it as a kid. But I read a website on the sport recently where they prominently listed the average income of those who participate in it. &lt;p>&#10;I'll pass.</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 9 Apr 2008 19:54:13 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Steve Urkel: Re: This is stupid.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#11</link>
<description>That's an accurate description of the average high school pole vaulter. Even if every high school has a couple, it's still not that many. Even without danger consideratins a lot of schools when I was in high school didn't have it because of the pointlessne</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:15:53 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Steve Urkel: More sportdanger!</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#10</link>
<description>&lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/sports/othersports/09equestrian.html">Equestrian&lt;/a> is dangerous, too.</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:10:02 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Acefantastik: Re: This is stupid.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#9</link>
<description>&lt;i>There can't be that many youth pole vaulters (or is there more than you would think?),&lt;/i>&lt;p>&lt;p>Pretty much every high school track team has a pole-vaulter or 7. &#160; A list for you: &lt;br>1. The beefcake who works his pecs all the time and flexes in fr</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:08:51 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: Re: This is stupid.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#8</link>
<description>&lt;i> Speaking of dangerous sports, I read the other day that high school pole vaulting averages about one death per year. There can't be that many youth pole vaulters (or is there more than you would think?), so it must be one of the most dangerous sports f</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:30:51 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Steve Urkel: Re: This is stupid.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#7</link>
<description>I'm not a big fan of pushing really young kids into any organized sport. As far as martial arts goes, if you are going to have 10 year olds doing it I think it's safer for kids to stick with grappling based ones only until they are in high school.&lt;p>&#10;Speak</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:20:55 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: Re: This is stupid.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#6</link>
<description>This isn't limited to the under-18 group. I have a cousin who is getting a ginormous academic scholarship to attend an Ivy. He signed up for their D-I wrestling team, because he enjoys it. I went to one meet and it made me... uncomfortable. I really didn't</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 9 Apr 2008 06:38:09 EST</pubDate>
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<title>HidingFromGoro: Self Defense</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#5</link>
<description>Another thing I forgot to mention is that MMA gyms can actually be better for kids than your run-of-the-mill strip mall karate class, because there is no focus on bullshit "self-defense" secnarios. &#160;I've trained in my fair share of strip-mall belt mil</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:57:02 EST</pubDate>
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<title>HidingFromGoro: Sweet Science?</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#4</link>
<description>No mention of boxing by the Missouri people. &#160;I'd be more concerned with Golden Gloves type programs if I was really worried about dangerous sports. &#160;I used to box, and now do shootwrestling (similar to MMA, or no-gi with some MT and boxing) and </description>
<pubDate>Wed, 9 Apr 2008 00:29:14 EST</pubDate>
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<title>port1080: Re: This is stupid.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#3</link>
<description>Indeed - I played high school football and we had some pretty nasty injuries, despite appropriate padding and whatnot.  I only played for two years, but I saw some limbs bent at disturbingly unnatural angles (or, even more disturbingly, saw shin bones with</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:22:19 EST</pubDate>
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<title>MayorBob: Irvin Mainway Lives!</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#2</link>
<description>At least &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krn9_d9CER8">his spirit lives on&lt;/a> in Nathan Orand, organizing ultimate fighting leagues for toddlers instead of shilling "Big Bag O' Glass" on SNL. &#160;Looking at that video from the Toda</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:58:17 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: This is stupid.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/4/7/163330/6319#1</link>
<description>You may ask "Which group are you castigating? The lawmakers, or the parents who push their kids into this sport?"&lt;p>&#10;Both.&lt;p>&#10;Back when I was an EMT, our town used to host some regional martial arts competition, and seeing some of these younger kids and te</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:36:23 EST</pubDate>
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