A Shocking Decision For Taser. (Trees And Things)

pO157: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:46:07 EST

That's the thing. Here it is kind of 50-50. Since in my city you can be on one street and have that block be nice (mine) but the next one over looks like Falujah with burned out hulks, junk cars, people loitering around and smashed up glass everywhere it's

thefadd: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:04:14 EST

Seeing window bars on almost every home out here in Los Angeles was a bit of shock at first. Some of them still look bad with them but for the most I hardly notice them anymore.

pO157: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:29:12 EST

Possibly. You know what I am also noticing a lot of? A lot of those ~$150 wireless security cameras you get at walmart or target mounted on the outside of people homes, usually pointed at the front of their yard or something.

Anybody else seeing that?

MayorBob: Real curb appeal.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:20:31 EST

"Try selling your house with window bars and a fence topped with razor wire." No, it wasn't that. It was the machine gun turrets and the moat filled with alligators that was the turnoff.

port1080: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:08:08 EST

Try selling your house with window bars and a fence topped with razor wire.

I dunno, in your area that would probably be a selling point, wouldn't it?

pO157: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:11:38 EST

A hell of a lot better looking cosmetically than window bars as well. But you hardly ever hear of people installing it. Try selling your house with window bars and a fence topped with razor wire. Not gonna happen. I'd rather attempt to do so with the windo

HidingFromGoro: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:25:07 EST

That's a really good idea, and a lot cheaper/easier than Lexan. I'd known of this stuff before, but for some reason it slipped my mind. Seems like you'd need to be extremely assiduous in your prep (especially the cleaning) to get 100% effective

HidingFromGoro: Re: Meaningless Distinction?

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:09:31 EST

It's a wonderful system we have, too. In this state, you automatically your voting rights back after your first felony, and your gun rights are only a simple application away; for all but the most extreme violent felonies (and domestic violence- hosp

pO157: Re: Meaningless Distinction?

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:58:27 EST

Perhaps you weren't wording it in the right way. Forget legalese. What about just saying "I was simply trying to follow the example of a great American leader who engaged in harmless, victimless use of recreational pharmaceuticals while a member of the arm

HidingFromGoro: Re: Meaningless Distinction?

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:46:43 EST

Every 6 months, big guy!

pO157: Re: Meaningless Distinction?

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:34:15 EST

Then too, I have priors so I'd catch a charge just for having the piece even if it was a good shoot.

You ever try the process of asking for a pardon since your trouble was years and years ago? What with Bush '43 leaving in a few months I am sur

pO157: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:27:15 EST

Forget lexan. Just get this. It will keep out the casual home invader or smash and grab crackhead. If anything else worse occurs, they'll eventually find some way in.

I was quite shocked

pO157: Off topic.

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:17:52 EST

Nasty dogs? I have some pepper-spray for that.

I was once told by a jackass officer prone to misconduct that Pepper spray does not work against dog attacks (of the rottweiler or pit bull kind owned by crackheads and other pieces of societ

HidingFromGoro: Re: Meaningless Distinction?

Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:45:47 EST

First sentence should have clarified that if Taylor saw him and didn't see that he was armed. He did (obviously) turn out to be armed.

HidingFromGoro: Re: Meaningless Distinction?

Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:44:00 EST

Well if he saw the guy and he wasn't armed, yet Taylor was still in fear of his life; it's strange that he didn't just decap him. Taylor wasn't your average Joe, he was a large, strong, and violent dude at the top level of a sport that selects for ag

thefadd: Re: Meaningless Distinction?

Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:27:25 EST

One of my friend complained that the only reason Sean Taylor died was because he had a machete since his parole prevented him from having a gun.

HidingFromGoro: Re: Meaningless Distinction?

Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:51:51 EST

The way CCW instructors explain it is "aim for center of mass and fire until he's no longer a threat." With a medium caliber handgun like 9mm or .40, you could put half the magazine in the guy before he's laying down. The way cops explain it to

uncarved block: Meaningless Distinction?

Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:40:02 EST

What you say may be true, but I wonder how often it will ever matter, if you have any kind of lawyer on your side; intent is notoriously hard to pin down in a court of law, and all you'd have to say afterward is that you were shooting to kill

Lou: Coming to a PBS station near you...

Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:59:50 EST

Bob Villa in "This Old Bunker"

"That's right Steve, Plexiglas will repel most hand thrown projectiles such as flash-bangs and smoke grenades. But many police departments are moving to RPGs these days. Now, these louvers with titanium cladding migh

HidingFromGoro: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:50:39 EST

unannounced visits from the local fuzz

Heh, the best thing to keep criminals and cops alike from kicking the door in is reinforcing the jamb; and replacing the screws that hold the plate the deadbolt engages with extra long ones and sink them int

thefadd: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:48:00 EST

This article from the Cato Institute names three and this article from the

Shy Elf: Re: Enough is enough for Tasers

Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:25:41 EST

You can kill anyone with enough taser shocks. It's easy. No underlying medical condition is required. It's death by lactic acid poisoning.

skeeter1: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:58:03 EST

"Yeah, does that apply to unannounced visits from the local fuzz?"

Question: When was the last time a law enforcement officer broke into a locked house without probable cause?

Answer: Never.

Doesn't matter who breaks into my h

HidingFromGoro: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:25:53 EST

Actually the 12 gauge is probably more legally defensible than a taser. At least out here you can fatally shoot if a reasonable man would have been fearing for his life in your shoes; shooting to wound isn't as defensible. It's like, the only s

HidingFromGoro: Re: Enough is enough for Tasers

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:26:53 EST

A lot of it isn't the voltage but where the probes land. Whichever muscles in between the probes are the ones affected, which is why you can get a 500K volt stun gun and just shock your leg all day, the probes are like 2 inches apart. I've take

HidingFromGoro: Re: Enough is enough for Tasers

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:08:36 EST

I guess I wasn't making my position as clear as I thought. I didn't mean to blame the company or the product, but the way in which it's used; much like I don't blame Glock when a cop unloads a couple dozen rounds into Diallo. They did for many

postillion: Re: Enough is enough for Tasers

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:14:09 EST

With Tasers, at least, one generally needs to have a heart condition for the shock(s) to be fatal; but anyone with a neck and chest is at risk choking and suffocation.

Will the police now be getting people to sign a consent form along the lines o

gerrymander: Re: Enough is enough for Tasers

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:43:00 EST

used with less oversight

Only if the city is cheap. There are Tasers which come with built-in digital cameras, whic snap a time-stamped shot every time the trigger is pulled. So again, this is not a problem with the company or the device.

thefadd: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:26:38 EST
Yeah, does that apply to unannounced visits from the local fuzz?

skeeter1: Re: A Shocking Decision For Taser.

Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:06:41 EST
I'm not about to be carrying a Taser or a handgun, for that matter, but the "castle doctrine" law,
"This week, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland (D) signed NRA-backed "Castle Doctrine" legislation into law to expand the self-defense rights of law-abiding cit

HidingFromGoro: Needs to be said

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:44:14 EST
I've first-hand experience with almost everything in that post, but the snitching thing was just an example. I'm many things (and have been on the straight and narrow for many years now), but I am not, never was, nor will ever be a snitch.

HidingFromGoro: Re: Enough is enough for Tasers

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:29:11 EST
It's different because it's easy and prone to overuse; and used with less oversight- if you beat some dude down with a stick, you're going to leave marks and stuff, plus you might get your uniform dirty and open yourself up to brutality complaints. Y

gerrymander: Re: Enough is enough for Tasers

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:35:52 EST
The use of Taser as a control device is totally unacceptable to me
Aren't all the methods you mentioned above (talking, manhandling, shooting) also control devices? What makes a Taser different, save that it allows for manhandling results at shoo

Lou: OT personal observation

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:00:50 EST
You have had some hella interesting life, my friend.

HidingFromGoro: Enough is enough for Tasers

Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:32:34 EST
I hate to be "that guy" but Taser is not a non-lethal weapon, it's a "less-lethal weapon" and is referred to as such by most LE agencies nowadays. But that's a "less-needed nitpick."
What the problem is, is that even Taser, Inc refers to its produ

MayorBob: Good point, but ...

Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:28:12 EST
... Heston was hardly a kid. He was 40 years old when he died.

I guess the main question I have is how the jury let the cops off the hook. What, because Taser didn't send them a memo saying their non-lethal weapon might possibly cause death if it'

thefadd: Re: The shame of it...

Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:18:07 EST
The fact that it took thirty firings before killing Heston is a testament to how messed up he was.
In what manner is the number of tasings applied any sort of testament to the degree to which methamphetamine was influencing the kid's behavior?

gerrymander: Re: The shame of it...

Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:19:03 EST
If Taser is forced to admit that its product can, indeed, cause harm
Has Taser ever suggested that its product doesn't cause harm? The way I read their "about" page is that they recognize all force can be harmful, but their product has minimizes

port1080: The shame of it...

Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:03:16 EST
...is that in most cases Tasers are the better option, when compared to the rest. I have no doubt that more lives have probably been saved by the use of Tasers than have been lost. When a suspect is so out of control that he cannot be restraine