Grand Jury By Petitition - A Final Chance For People's Justice Or An Abortion Of Justice? (Trees And Things)

skeptic: let me try again

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:42:17 EST

I think you have made a very believable analysis of the political balance regarding the abortion issue. There are two opposed factions, both of which have a large and devoted base of support among voters. No matter how desperately the right-to-

joshv: Re: Can't (democratically) outlaw stupidity...

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:23:57 EST

The Congress being a rough representation of the opinions of the people, and the people being split roughly 55/45 (depending on the pole and pole questions) on this issue, I doubt you are going to get such a bill past the inevitable filibuster, as others h

skeptic: Re: Can't (democratically) outlaw stupidity...

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:02:19 EST

Abortion, like same-sex marriage, is one of those strange issues in which party affiliation is no guarantee of how a politician may vote.

skeptic: Re: Can't (democratically) outlaw stupidity...

Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:00:39 EST

No, I don't think that every state would outlaw abortion in the event of the overturn of Roe vs. Wade, although the federal government might do so, in which case abortion would become illegal in all states. However, there are also various other possi

joshv: Re: Can't (democratically) outlaw stupidity...

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:43:38 EST

"...we will see the reversal of Roe vs. Wade and the end of legal abortion in the US..."

I see these two outcomes constantly conflated by those of the liberal persuasion. Do do you actually think that every state will legislate abortion out

port1080: Re: Can't (democratically) outlaw stupidity...

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:21:39 EST

which is not unlikely in the situation that I describe.

Unless you're saying that the Republicans will gain the sort of majority in Congress that they haven't seen since Reconstruction, I'd say that I'll have to disagree with you on that one. &n

skeptic: Re: Can't (democratically) outlaw stupidity...

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:26:14 EST

In the scenario that I depict, there is a Republican President who appoints a conservative Supreme Court Justice, resulting in the overturn of Roe vs. Wade. That does not in itself make abortion illegal, however, it does create the opportunity for Co

port1080: Re: True that.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:47:00 EST

I don't think that either part would or should be like North Korea. The analogy I chose probably wasn't the best, since it needs some explanation. My comparison wasn't supposed to be comparing two parts of the US, but rather between two differe

MayorBob: True that.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:19:04 EST

I guess my question is why must part of the US be the US and another part be North Korea?

port1080: Re: Sucks To Live In A Flyover State.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:15:51 EST

Well, I did say it would still be a disaster - but there are degrees of disaster. I wouldn't want to live in Cuba, for example, but I'd much rather live in Cuba than North Korea.

MayorBob: Sucks To Live In A Flyover State.

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:59:33 EST

Your post points out the importance of retaining Roe v. Wade as the law of the land. To allow the ball to go back in the states' court might see access to family planning, contraception, and abortion services (because it's really more than just about bein

port1080: Re: Can't (democratically) outlaw stupidity...

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:49:01 EST

From the viewpoint of the anti-abortion activists, this does qualify as an anti-corruption issue, since, as they would put it, it is the responsibility of doctors to preserve life rather than to end it, and thus the killing of the unborn is a corruption

skeptic: Re: Can't (democratically) outlaw stupidity...

Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:30:21 EST
From the viewpoint of the anti-abortion activists, this does qualify as an anti-corruption issue, since, as they would put it, it is the responsibility of doctors to preserve life rather than to end it, and thus the killing of the unborn is a corruption of

port1080: Can't (democratically) outlaw stupidity...

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:06:10 EST
When you get right down to it, one of the big failings of any democratic system is that if a majority (or a politically influential large minority) has a wrongheaded policy, they get a chance to enact it (or in this case, take advantage of a democratic pro