Kerry On, My Wayward Son (Trees And Things)

JimmyHavok: It's not a vicious cycle

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:23:45 EST

You get your street cred by getting people into municipal seats, who can then run for state seats, because they have credibility from having served in government, who can then run for national office because they have credibility from having served in stat

pO157: It's a vicious cycle.

Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:00:31 EST

But to get there they have to run high visibility nationwide campaigns to get the name out. They can't get the local support until they have a high profile nationwide ticket, but they can't get the large numbers nationwide until they start getting credible

logan: More Conservative 527s

Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:53:17 EST

I'll tell you, this Google thing is just amazing. You search for "Conservative 527" and in 0.13 seconds you get a whole list.

Vets For Freedom Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain. From their Brock when he couldn't make up his mind Zogby has it closer as well (5 points) with 12% "Other" but most That's a matter of opinion, of course. Tell me, Lou, what are your criteria for an "attack ad"?

I feel your pain

What makes you think I care about it one w

Lou: Hope

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:24:17 EST

The sun will come out tomorrow...bet your bottom dollar on tomorrow...

pO157: Re: FISA is the big one...

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:08:15 EST

I think you're far too optimistic about this.

You know I'm horribly cynical on almost everything else. Give me something to have hope in.

port1080: Re: FISA is the big one...

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:06:57 EST

It will take years and several election cycles for this to happen, but eventually it will. From what I have read key groups of voters are registering as independents, or leaving the major parties. With enough people looking for new options some party or

pO157: Re: FISA is the big one...

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:42:40 EST
I agree in part, especially your point about Gore. However, by continually voting for the lesser of two evils you help maintain the status quo more than voting Green or Libertarian right now. If the Dems cannot field a decent candidate for the White House

port1080: Re: FISA is the big one...

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:07:30 EST
Unless they don't care about casting a ballot for somebody "electable" but do so to make a statement that they feel their old party of choice has lost its way. That's why they call it the protest vote.
I'm not a big fan of protest votes (unless t

port1080: Re: Rude Pundit speaks for me, again.

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:00:43 EST
Right on - that's exactly how I feel as well. The position he took was politically expedient, sure, but from a standpoint of principle it was just poor. I was watching one of the talking head shows on MSNBC last night (Olbermann, I think?) and

wetkarma: Core beliefs and Obama

Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:59:02 EST
Back in 2007 when Obama was talking up the merits of public campaign financing and pledging to work with the republican nominee to support the public system, he claimed to be making an argument out of principle which only coincidentally made HRC look bad (

delete me: Re: Kerry On, My Wayward Son

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:52:27 EST
Seeing as Obama is being called a flip-flopper, has he ever threatened to vote against his own bill?

permazorch: Rude Pundit speaks for me, again.

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:25:18 EST
The FISA Mistake.
Of course, the real disappointment here is Barack Obama and his collapse on all but telecom immunity. It's a bullshit poli

Lou: Oh, it's on.

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:15:50 EST
Jesus, Z...was that an "attack" ad? However, I'm not surprised at the sting conservatives must feel. I mean honestly, the way liberals light a candle in response to the conservative flame-throwers, it's shameful. I feel your pain.

zyxwvutsr: Re: Misprint

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:08:26 EST

Key point - "to date". As the election gets closer we'll see the 527s popping out faster then feces from a cow with dysentery
No, the key point was conservative 527 groups. Moveon.org has already begun run

gerrymander: Re: FISA is the big one...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:42:00 EST
Gallup has them running even, with 45% support each.

uncarved block: Whistling Past The Graveyard?

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:39:33 EST
Well, it's been clear for months now where gerrymander stands on the upcoming election, so a "helpful" reminder such as this is to be expected. He could even be right, though several of his posts here leave room for hesitation. (Not tha

pO157: Re: FISA is the big one...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:12:09 EST
I think in the end Obama might make out okay, since the people he's most likely to be pissing off here really have no other credible place to turn.
Unless they don't care about casting a ballot for somebody "electable" but do so to make a state

port1080: Re: FISA is the big one...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:36:13 EST
No, my point was that pulling out of the public financing system was such a no-brainer that the only way it would have been a bad idea would be if he was pulling out of it because he planned on financing his campaign in a way that completely contradicted h

Lou: Re: Misprint

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:22:51 EST
And I get a guffaw when I see conservatives using the same old character assassination that always seems to work for them.
"Flip flopper" is an old classic...to which this time we'll add "appeaser" and "Muslim".
...oh wait...that's not a guffaw, that

gerrymander: Re: Misprint

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:57:00 EST
I always get a chuckle when conservative types get all hand-wringingly concerned about how their despised opponent may be making a mistake.
I always chuckle when the certainly-doomed Republican candidate gets (back) into the White House, thanks t

Jackkeefe: Re: FISA is the big one...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:53:09 EST
So your point was that its better for Obama to reject public financing than to commit felonies?
I'm curious how that's not so obvious that it doesn't need saying.

port1080: Re: FISA is the big one...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:35:11 EST
Campaign Finance rules still apply if you reject public funding, it is still illegal for a candidate to accept "huge donations from just a few corporate donors."
I know that - I offered that as a hypothetical. I thought it was so obvious th

Jackkeefe: Re: FISA is the big one...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:33:29 EST
Since the majority of Obama's monetary support is coming from small, individual donations I just don't think this hurts him that much. If he had pulled out of the campaign finance system to fund his campaign with his own money or to take some huge

thefadd: Re: FISA is the big one...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:18:57 EST
Given that Obama leads 49%-37% yet 52% say McCain would do a

thefadd: Re: FISA is the big one...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:10:55 EST
I don't see the flipping in Obama's FISA stance. He never voted against this bill and has always said he would stand strong against terrorism. Now he's saying he will watch its development closely. Where exactly is the floppery?

port1080: FISA is the big one...

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:47:23 EST
The campaign finance issue and the presidential seal issue aren't all that major. Obama has already claimed that the seal was a mistake and vowed not to use it again, so I expect that controversy won't have much in the way of legs. The campaign

Lou: Misprint

Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:38:38 EST
Flip-flopper. Elitist. Egotist. Insider politician. These are some of the labels which were branded to John Kerry
You must mean handed to Kerry by the Swiftboat crowd and their ilk. Kerry's biggest problem was that he didn't hand thi