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<title>Time Warner broadband:  know your limits. (Trees And Things)</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891</link>
<description>Time Warner has been talking about moving to a business model of &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080602/tec_...ernet.html?.v=4">metered broadband&lt;/a> with monthly caps, and it &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Time-Warner-Cable-To-Start-PerGigabyte-Fee-Trial-On-Thursday-94941">starts today&lt;/a>, 5 June 08. &#160;The &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080602/ap_on_hi_te/tec_time_warner_cable_internet">choices&lt;/a> are either $29.95/month for 768Kbps wi</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 6 Jun 2008 13:56:00 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#25</link>
<description>&lt;i> Dude.&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;...where's my car?</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:10:40 EST</pubDate>
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<title>thefadd: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#24</link>
<description>Dude.</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:50:04 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: You gotta lock that down.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#23</link>
<description>&lt;i> With the increasing legal availability of HD movies through iTunes and other services, Time Warner, Comcast, et. al. can no longer make the argument that "only pirates use that much bandwidth" - it would be very easy for a moderate movie watcher to run</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:48:04 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#22</link>
<description>&lt;i> I have had a cell phone eight years now &lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;Every time I renew my plan (Sprint) my rates go down and my features go up. Because that's how I roll. You just have to know how to do it right. I currently have 2 lines, free roaming, free texting, free </description>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:43:33 EST</pubDate>
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<title>pO157: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#21</link>
<description>&lt;i> Do the math, but unless you have to use cable, you can do better without. &#160; &lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;Exactly. We have no need for landline phone service, except for the security system. The phone was costing us almost $40 a month just for local calls (which we nev</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:39:04 EST</pubDate>
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<title>Shy Elf: I'm a Comcast Monopoly Victim</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#20</link>
<description>I have practically zero broadband choices other than Comcast. &#160;No DSL; I'm too far from the hub. &#160;No other cable companies; &#160;I've checked, there are none. &#160;No Verizon fiber. Practically speaking, &#160;it's Comcast or dialup.&lt;p>&#10;Oh, the</description>
<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:38:46 EST</pubDate>
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<title>HidingFromGoro: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#19</link>
<description>And the messed up thing about it is, they have that capability now, to deliver quality HD programming but they don't. &#160;I didn't even buy a HDTV (something I regret when I play my Xbox 360) because even when the bandwidth is available to deliver uncomp</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:58:45 EST</pubDate>
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<title>HidingFromGoro: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#18</link>
<description>&lt;i>Are there are any that aren't loaded with the shit any more?&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;Firefox extensions are your friend. &#160;Seriously, with FlashBlock, NoScript, and AdBlock Plus it's like a whole new internet.</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:11:34 EST</pubDate>
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<title>wetkarma: marginal costs and the other edge of monopolies</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#17</link>
<description>I use to work for an ISP, and trust me -- they don't pay by the byte. Instead they pay based on the 95th percentile of use - furthermore pull up any charge of wholesale bandwith prices and you'll see they are going down (not UP or even flat) year over year</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:19:52 EST</pubDate>
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<title>port1080: Re: but does it scale</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#16</link>
<description>&lt;i>People who are waiting for Verizon to save them from their cable monopoly are likely to be waiting a while. &#160;At current roll-out rates, FiOS will pass every dwelling in the USA in the year 2080.&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;While I wish Verizon was rolling FiOS service </description>
<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:10:24 EST</pubDate>
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<title>jwb: Re: but does it scale</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#15</link>
<description>When you watch HBO, there is no marginal cost to anybody. &#160;Every person in America could change the channel to HBO at once, and no bad thing would happen to the cable system. &#160;HBO bills your cable company monthly for the number of subscribers, an</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:46:58 EST</pubDate>
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<title>wetkarma: but does it scale</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#14</link>
<description>&lt;i>Comcast and Time Warner will still relay arbitrary amounts of traffic, but they will charge you for amounts over a certain base rate. Every other product in the world is charged by amount used, and it's a good fit for Internet service as well.&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;Wh</description>
<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:08:04 EST</pubDate>
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<title>jwb: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#13</link>
<description>Let's stop using the word "cap" here. &#160;Comcast and Time Warner will still relay arbitrary amounts of traffic, but they will charge you for amounts over a certain base rate. &#160;Sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. &#160;What is everybody bitching ab</description>
<pubDate>Sun, 8 Jun 2008 16:54:11 EST</pubDate>
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<title>permazorch: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#12</link>
<description>&lt;i>The mandated switch next year is to digital, not high definition.&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;Yeah, but c'mon! What do you think is going to happen between Thanksgiving and February 19th? Whether it's Festivus, or Orthodox Christmas, Solstice, or whatever-the-fuck, people w</description>
<pubDate>Sun, 8 Jun 2008 13:30:48 EST</pubDate>
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<title>MayorBob: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#11</link>
<description>The mandated switch next year is to digital, not high definition.</description>
<pubDate>Sat, 7 Jun 2008 20:29:18 EST</pubDate>
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<title>skeeter1: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#10</link>
<description>&lt;i>"I can still afford all three but I really don't want to any longer, especially for how little I honestly use any of them. Something's gonna get cut."&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;Well, here's what I mean. &#160;When Cox Cable first became available around here 30 years ago,</description>
<pubDate>Sat, 7 Jun 2008 19:09:27 EST</pubDate>
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<title>joshv: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#9</link>
<description>Yes, but the vast majority of the content available now is not HD. &#160;There's not much HD on iTunes, and as I noted in my previous post, you'd have to spend a ton to go over 40GB/month on iTunes.&lt;p>&#10;I agree with you that HD is the future, but bandwidth </description>
<pubDate>Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:47:50 EST</pubDate>
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<title>joshv: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#8</link>
<description>Botched my math there. &#160;That would be 40 movies, or 80-100 episodes, depending on their length.</description>
<pubDate>Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:01:33 EST</pubDate>
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<title>port1080: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#7</link>
<description>&lt;i>Most "regular" users aren't going to be downloading pirated blu-ray movies.&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;There you go again with that. &#160;iTunes already has perfectly legal HD movies for sale, as do some other sites, and this will become more and more common within the ne</description>
<pubDate>Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:59:46 EST</pubDate>
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<title>joshv: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#6</link>
<description>Most "regular" users aren't going to be downloading pirated blu-ray movies. &#160;I am a relatively heavy user of online video and I doubt I go much above 40GB/month. &#160;I use Netflix, iTunes, and about half a dozen of the various network's web-based ep</description>
<pubDate>Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:52:58 EST</pubDate>
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<title>thefadd: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#5</link>
<description>I have had a cell phone eight years now and dsl and directv for two. They all seem to have really pinched up the rates in the last few months. I can still afford all three but I really don't want to any longer, especially for how little I honestly use any </description>
<pubDate>Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:56:45 EST</pubDate>
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<title>skeeter1: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#4</link>
<description>&lt;i>"or even flash-heavy sites/ads."&lt;/i>&lt;p>&#10;Are there are any that aren't loaded with the shit any more? &#160;Bugs the hell out of me when I do my morning check of &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.accuweather.com/">weather&lt;/a>, &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="ht</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 6 Jun 2008 20:22:33 EST</pubDate>
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<title>T Slothrop: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#3</link>
<description>The thing I really don't get about this from TW's perspective is that it seems as they are just conceding the marketing wars to the local wireline phone carriers, none of whom (at least as far as I can find out) have ANY plans of doing this with their DSL </description>
<pubDate>Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:47:50 EST</pubDate>
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<title>MayorBob: Entering through the center door is Netflix.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#2</link>
<description>Which is rolling out what they see as &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/ptech/stories/DN-p2techreview_06bus.ART.State.Edition1.46ae2d6.html">the wave of the future&lt;/a> in terms of movie delivery systems.  $99 for the b</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:20:33 EST</pubDate>
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<title>port1080: Re: Time Warner broadband:  know your limits.</title>
<link>http://www.treesandthings.com/story/2008/6/5/22447/22891#1</link>
<description>joshv argued in the sub-q that it would take "hours and hours" of video to reach 40GB. &#160;That depends - if we're talking low-def highly compressed stuff, then yeah - but if we're talking hi-def movies, then not so much. &#160;A two hour HD movie can be</description>
<pubDate>Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:11:28 EST</pubDate>
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