Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use? (Trees And Things)

thefadd: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use?

Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:29:32 EST

I just laugh when I see cops insert themselves into the middle of a situation then try to pull the self-defense card. If the mandate is to take control of a situation, then do what is necessary to accomplish that and rationalize any action on that basis.

Dyolf Knip: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use?

Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:58:06 EST

I can easily imagine cases where being able to quickly tranquilize a suspect would be useful. I'm having a bit harder time coming up with ones where it would also be practical (As others have noted, you have to have the guy pretty well restrained to

gerrymander: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use?

Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:48:14 EST

Well, yes... but I presume that someone, somewhere had to make the policy decision that dogpiling a knife-wielding nut was the preferred method of handling the situation. I agree that in this case, after the dogpile, shooting him would have been a summary

gerrymander: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranqui1izers for Police use?

Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:34:57 EST

That's just a hole in my personal firearms ammunition knowledge, not an actual bias against the hollow-point .40 S&W. I trust your word on the matter.

HidingFromGoro: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use?

Sat, 19 Jul 2008 02:36:25 EST

Well they already had him dogpiled and restrained by the time they got someone to inject him, so shooting someone in that state is little more than summary execution. In all of these cases the suspect has already been physically restrained enough to

zyxwvutsr: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranqui1izers for Police use?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:03:30 EST

I don't know why you don't think a hollow-point .40 S&W is suitable. Because it is.

JimmyHavok: breakin' out

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:30:30 EST

One of my high school friends broke out of cuffs. He was a very large guy, and was drunk and distraught over being dumped by his girlfriend. The police couldn't get his hands behind him, so they cuffed them in front, and according to the

JimmyHavok: Re: I've been administered Versed.

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:16:14 EST

I suspect they used the same stuff on me for my recent gastroenteroscopy. I have no memory of what happened during the procedure, something which I find very upsetting. The "disclosure" form I signed said I could request that someone be present

JimmyHavok: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:11:10 EST

Considering the harm that your attitude does to society, perhaps you ought to be treated in the way you advocate.

gerrymander: Re: Been fishing?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:19:03 EST

"Oh, I'm sorry sir, but I'm sure that if you had called every day for the past three weeks to request we cancel the complimentary anal rape, I would have some mention of it here in my event planner."

Lou: Re: In summation

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:13:39 EST

Reading this, I have to wonder if someone is so drugged up that he can tear apart metal with his bare hands, would a trank even work on him?

Lou: Re: Been fishing?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:11:40 EST

I just thought of something...Prison Concierges.

"Yes sir, I'll ask the cellmaid to not put the mint on your pillow tonight."

gerrymander: Re: Been fishing?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:01:18 EST

And thus, "chambermaid" gets added to the list of "jobs I don't want police to be responsible for." ;-)

thefadd: Re: In summation

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:52:51 EST

I know a friend of a friend who broke out of police handcuffs while on meth, and possibly other stuff, I don't really remember and probably wasn't given the full story anyway. The key point is he did actually break the metal joints restraining him. Obvious

thefadd: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:47:36 EST

These drugs are obviously being used as a last resort before shooting people in the instances outlined above. I think the vast majority of people would agree this is a reasonable alternative to shooting people and OK in these instances.

thefadd: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:44:19 EST

I knew a friend of a friend who once broke through the handcuffs while he was on meth. Doping prisoners sets a dangerous precedent but it does seem to me that it has not been used in anything but the most necessary cases. So long as they remain open to civ

Lou: Re: Been fishing?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:12:24 EST

Maybe the could give him a pillow so he don't hurt his head?

gerrymander: Re: Been fishing?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:06:17 EST

Or he hits his head wrong and dies, or lands in a 2-inch deep puddle and drowns, or something else which would trigger a lawsuit. Unlike a fisherman, the police have rules to follow regarding prisoners' well-being -- and those begin as soon as the person i

Lou: Been fishing?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:20:56 EST

Ah man...been fishing lately? You get a fish far enough up on the bank, he can flop around all he want...he ain't going nowhere. Same with a dude in handcuffs and maybe leg cuffs too. You let him flop around all he want on hot pavement al

gerrymander: Re: In summation

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:14:16 EST

But, as P0 pointed out...they had the dude down...why not just clap him in irons?

Cops carry handcuffs, not Hannibal Lecter full-body casts. A person can still thrash around plenty in just appropriately-used cuffs. And when improperly used... wel

Lou: Re: In summation

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:09:50 EST

I agree...especially a drug that also causes memory loss. Just imagine if the NYPD used this practice.

Doctor: Mr. Louima...it pains me to tell you this, but it looks like you were ass raped by a long wooden object...like a broom handle or m

skeeter1: Re: In summation

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:02:46 EST

"But, as P0 pointed out...they had the dude down...why not just clap him in irons?"

That's my feeling as well. The cops (and FWIW, my brother is a LEO) have absolutely no business administering psychotropic medications. Once the suspe

Lou: In summation

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:11:51 EST

If the cops were to shoot someone held down by "4 or 5 cops on a side, then it might be summary execution. But, as P0 pointed out...they had the dude down...why not just clap him in irons?

delete me: Re: I've been administered Versed.

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:04:42 EST

Obviously I didn't experience any complications from Versed.

Side-effects include a garden hose down your throat or up your ass, sounds like.

gerrymander: Re: give me tranquility or give me death

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:15:51 EST

I am being serious. I don't believe we should give police the authority for summary execution, but they do certainly have sufficient authority to use lethal force in self defense. Shooting any person? Out. Shooting some nutjob running at them with knives t

skeptic: give me tranquility or give me death

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:30:39 EST

I can't even tell for sure whether your comment is sincere or sarcastic, but you do raise significant points either way.

Some concern has previously been expressed in this discussion about the harm that could be done to someone as a result of being inje

gerrymander: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use?

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:03:41 EST

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing gained by police injecting perps with tranquilizing drugs which couldn't also be solved by injecting them with lead, in the .38 or .45 caliber varieties.

Seriously. By the time a person is so out of control that

MayorBob: I've been administered Versed.

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:25:52 EST

I was given it once to make my endoscopy go smoother. It is a powerful hypnotic which totally relaxes you, making you completely at ease as doctors shove a garden hose down your throat. I understand it's also given for colonoscopies. Thus, whenever medi

pO157: Re: Beyond Tasers: Tranquilizers for Police use?

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:47:15 EST

When I first saw the headline I assumed that the police were using tranquilizer guns or something in extremely rare cases for people who were truly dangerous to approach. The article seems to indicate that the medics or officers inject the drug into people