New Yorker Cover - Myth-Exploding Satire Or Tasteless And Offensive As Can Be? (Trees And Things)

thefadd: Re: Is it obvious enough?

Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:20:39 EST

that's all meant as a backhanded compliment right? ;-)

PenitenziAgite: Re: Is it obvious enough?

Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:51:29 EST

The New Yorker is definitely not irrelevant. Their film and theater reviews are awesome. Sy Hersh and Hendrik Hertzberg et. al. are among the best in the business. Just because it's too highfalutin' for the Truck Nutz crowd... &nbs

Degee: Re: New Yorker Cover - Myth-Exploding Satire Or Ta

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:42:02 EST

Newsvine has turned the tables

here

gerrymander: "gravity" is a racist conspiracy

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:10:06 EST

You apparently can't use the terms "niggardly", "nappy headed" or "black hole" either.

Lou: Pining for the good old days

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:25:32 EST

One of the areas of liberal thought which seems to leech out humor is "politically correct" speech codes.

Yeah, it sucks how we can't tell nigger, kike, wop, wetback, and chink jokes in the office anymore.

JimmyHavok: Re: To Gerry and Z

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:04:17 EST

Declaring some words and ideas as off limits based on some arbitrary value system is exactly the same thing that Lenny Bruce, George Carlin and other great comics railed against.

I wondered why they were hounded so unmercifully by the liberal es

JimmyHavok: Re: Satire?

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:59:22 EST

I think Jon Stewart had the best take on the reaction to the cartoon, showing a montage of various "respectable" TV "journalists" saying the various things that were depicted in the cartoon, devoid of any satire or irony. Many of these "respectable"

gerrymander: Re: To Gerry and Z

Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:47:32 EST

You probably think that liberals are pretty ignorant thus the bon mot about us not having a sense of humor.

Actually, I think most people are pretty smart, politics notwithstanding, and are often well-informed to boot. Where I think many people

Lou: Re: New Yorker Cover - Myth-Exploding Satire

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:41:14 EST

Fortunately, we've got a few more months to decide

Ugh...you really know how to bring a guy down, eh?

skeeter1: Re: New Yorker Cover - Myth-Exploding Satire

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:24:25 EST

"Presumed Democratic Party presidential nominee Barack Obama dressed in Muslim garb in the Oval Office "

Doesn't matter a bit to me. Right now I'm lounging around the house in a Turk bathrobe, even though I'm of Bohemian ancestry. Clo

Lou: To Gerry and Z

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:51:35 EST

Gerry

Out of curiosity, did you think the New Yorker cover was funny? Or at least, that humor was it's aim?

Of course...but probably not in the way you think. I don't think the New Yorker was targeting either "red-staters" or the

zyxwvutsr: Re: Sense and offense

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:50:57 EST

...when it comes to hateful bullshit that takes delight in singling out the less powerful, or hell, even the different, then yeah...I guess I don't have a "sense of humor"

Uh. A United States Senator and his Harvard-ed

gerrymander: Re: Is it obvious enough?

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:44:40 EST

The problem isn't so much the idea of the cartoon, but the fact that the people being lampooned (i.e. the "swift boater" types on the right) don't appear in the cartoon at all.

And even there, the satire is off because it targets a bunch of three

gerrymander: Re: Sense and offense

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:26:27 EST

So yeah...when it comes to hateful bullshit that takes delight in singling out the less powerful, or hell, even the different, then yeah...I guess I don't have a "sense of humor".

Out of curiosity, did you think the New Yorker cover was fu

Lou: Sense and offense

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:42:44 EST

Some fellows I fly model airplanes with a rather upset about how a black man could win the presidency. They are so discomforted by it that they are relieving their stress by telling "Nigger Jokes". I have politely asked them to stop to which th

Degee: Re: New Yorker Cover - Myth-Exploding Satire Or Ta

Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:37:52 EST

Whoever thinks this cover is an effective satire seems to forget that wit is a fundamental element of satire.

An analogy might be if I rephrased the above comment as:

"Whoever thinks this cover is an effective satire is a disingenuous asshole."

songofthepogo: Re: Is it obvious enough?

Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:33:33 EST

The problem isn't so much the idea of the cartoon, but the fact that the people being lampooned (i.e. the "swift boater" types on the right) don't appear in the cartoon at all.

the editor (or somebody) was on NPR the other day and was asked

postillion: Snickering commentary on Satire

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:35:31 EST

As usual, The Gawker is fully enjoying the media circus.

Read their take on a reader's response to the Gawker's support of New

permazorch: Re: classic satire

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:50:22 EST

Plenty of people on the left feel betrayed by Obama's FISA flip-flop...
Yep, that broke my heart. But, he was joined by one metric shit-load of Democrats, too.

It's extremely sad.

As for the cover of New Yorker, I'm not amused, nor

postillion: Re: classic satire

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:01:20 EST

I agree with wetkarma on Obama's politics. I just finished reading the long New Yorker profile on Obama this morning, and none of it really surprised me. As one Nation article said about Obama's economic policies, he's more center than Bill Cli

postillion: Re: Is it obvious enough?

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:53:21 EST

That or The New Yorker was just feelin their irrelevancy.

I doubt that the New Yorker is feeling irrelevant in the least; if anything the stir over the cover (similar to when Art Spiegelman did a cover of a Jew and an Arab kissing for Valentine's

thefadd: Re: Is it obvious enough?

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:57:09 EST

To me it shows just how clueless and out of touch most hard core liberals are today with how something like this would (not) be understood by those who opposed Obama. That or The New Yorker was just feelin their irrelevancy.

uncarved block: Satire?

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:12:10 EST

I wonder if changing the frame to "caricature" alters your perception any? (To my mind, anyway, caricature is a lot less subtle than satire, perhaps even crude.) It's possibly just a rhetorical game, but if you think of the cover as car

zyxwvutsr: More Proof

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:51:43 EST

More proof, as if we needed it, that liberals have no sense of humor.

port1080: Is it obvious enough?

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:14:09 EST

I initially thought that Obama, et. al. were over reacting, but then I read something that made me change my mind, a little, or at least made me question my certainty on the issue. The problem isn't so much the idea of the cartoon, but the fact that

wetkarma: classic satire

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:38:09 EST

The best satires (A modest proposal) are the ones misunderstood by the general populace while bringing a grin to the target audience. In a country of 300m+ people, approximately 1m people read the New Yorker - which makes such a picture quite perfect for i