Senate Passes FISA & Immunity: On to President's Desk (Trees And Things)

thefadd: Bob Barr

Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:50:12 EST

The only Presidential candidate of a major party to take a firm stand against FISA!

thefadd: Re: Reading

Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:03:46 EST

Yes but the judge found Congress had already said that and another judge is just going to have to find it all over again when next the President decides he wants to ignore what Congress has said.

profwhat: Re: Reading

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:17:55 EST

Yes, although having Congress say that carries more weight than one judge.

thefadd: Re: Reading

Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:37:18 EST

While, on second reading, I do find your criticisms of my comment above astute, didn't the judge in the last two links already find that "the law says that "the exclusive means" for foreign intelligence collections is FISA, not some bullshit 'program' drea

profwhat: Reading

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 15:09:29 EST

So, how many of those of you who criticize this bill have read it, or read a reliable summary of it? At least a few who have are concluding that it increases civil liberties protec

JimmyHavok: Re: the likely scenario

Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:52:36 EST

Bush couldn't give a pardon to Cheney that will prevent Cheney from being impeached as a sitting President or Vice President.

12 hours is short notice to file papers of impeachment...not that they would stop a pardon.

delete me: Re: the likely scenario

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:05:21 EST

I suppose if a President could pardon herself, then a President could unpardon someone. (I mean, while we're imagining scenarios where corrupt politicians get their due and Democrats in office have a spine... Why not?)

pO157: Re: the likely scenario

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:55:11 EST

Also, Bush couldn't give a pardon to Cheney that will prevent Cheney from being impeached as a sitting President or Vice President.

Let's assume for a moment that Nancy "It amuses me that the little people who voted me in now demand action" Pel

delete me: Re: the likely scenario

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:54:15 EST

Is there any entity with the power to unpardon someone in the US?

Also, Bush couldn't give a pardon to Cheney that will prevent

JimmyHavok: fuck

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:29:44 EST

I knew fucking Inouye would vote for it. I've hated his ass ever since he let Reagan off the hook for Iran-Contra because "it would cause a Constituitonal crisis." Fuck yeah having a President who blatantly breaks the law is a Constitutional cr

JimmyHavok: the likely scenario

Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:22:04 EST

Jan. 19, 2009:

Bush gives blanket pardons to all cronies
Bush resigns

3)Cheney gives blanket pardon to Bush

There's no way to prevent the first two steps, the only way to prevent the third is to refus

thefadd: Re: It was 69.

Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:05:01 EST

how appropriate

MayorBob: It was 69.

Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:41:11 EST

You forgot about Obama who voted for the bill. This is some change to believe in, huh?

profwhat: Re: McCain Ducked The Vote Because He Could.

Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:59:49 EST

I'm sorry, that isn't even close to resembling something that's correct. A federal judge is not prepared to "find" Bush criminally liable. Under the constitution, only a jury can do that (unless waived), and before it can do that you need thing

MayorBob: You must have missed the first comment.

Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:57:16 EST

While I wouldn't call it treason, granting cover to the telcoms was a singularly gutless and conscienceless act. I do what I can and I don't have a magic wand to make all 68 (I thought it was 69) go away. What I can do is express my outrage to my Senator

WMK: This one really pisses ME off

Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:15:32 EST

Hey Mayor - I think I found something worthy to inspire heartfelt outrage and disgust.

Our ruling elite just icepicked us all in the face - how are we digging that? Does it feel good? Does it make us all proud to be Americans?

Retroactive

zyxwvutsr: Re: Hypothetically.

Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:01:18 EST

Perhaps the most unsafe place to be after a primary season is between Obama and the middle of the road

Doesn't it just make you want to cut his nuts off?

DEMachina: Re: [...]

Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:27:17 EST

I like how Congress gets to give themselves pay raises even when they don't do their job, or in this case try to do some research on What it All Means.

Then again, why bother when large corporations (in this case telecos) will pay you for your vote?

DEMachina: fuck off subject-line parser script

Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:25:12 EST

pO157: I am a cynic.

Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:06:11 EST

Where it goes from there...

To page B16. Hey, look! Various B list celebrities are doing something fatuous!

thefadd: Re: McCain Ducked The Vote Because He Could.

Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:06:52 EST

Read the last two links. There is a federal judge prepared to find President George W. Bush criminally liable should the attorneys for the plaintiff in the case be able to show within 30 days (without using any evidence that has been declared a state secre

pO157: He meant non-violent grassroots political action

Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:55:45 EST

If the American public truly cared about this as an issue the vote would have gone the other way. The sad, annoying fact is that they don't, so you get what you get. Congress or Bush didn't "fool" the public over this one - it got press coverage

port1080: Re: Hypothetically.

Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:34:23 EST
Perhaps the most unsafe place to be after a primary season is between Obama and the middle of the road.
Obama an agent of change? Ok. Sure.
The problem isn't so much Obama as it is the system itself, or perhaps democracy in general. Plat

pO157: Hypothetically.

Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:01:01 EST
If this had taken place a month or two ago, or if HillDog had not conceded the nomination how much do you want to bet that Obama would have voted "No" and then spent 10 hours complaining about the legislation? Perhaps the most unsafe place to be after a pr

MayorBob: McCain Ducked The Vote Because He Could.

Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:33:11 EST
As for the rest of the Senate, so much for that "things will change around here when we're in charge." Even though the telcoms are off the hook, I'm wondering if there's a federal prosecutor with some balls who might see their way to try to indict Bush, C