Anthrax Terror Case Solved? [Breaking News] (Trees And Things)

JimmyHavok: more interesting stuff

Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:17:27 EST

Apparently, while Ivins was working with the liquid form of the anthrax that was mailed to Daschle et al, he never worked with the weaponized form, so he would have had to weaponize it himself with make shift equipment.

It seems strange that one person

thefadd: Re: Ivins poetry

Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:56:42 EST

They've got some real artistes in their evidence creation department, they do.

Steve Urkel: Ivins poetry

Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:07:46 EST

AP is reporting:

And then there is a bizarre poem written months after the attacks. In it, Ivins described "exchanging personalities" and said the sensation was "rather fun."

Anothe

MayorBob: Re: I'd agree with you on the Unabomber and Ivins.

Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:34:38 EST

Ask the people of DC and the surrounding counties that question, Jimmy. Or, more fairly, ask them which of their civil liberties they might have pondered doing away with just so the sniping attacks would stop. My point was that the attacks of t

JimmyHavok: Re: I'd agree with you on the Unabomber and Ivins.

Wed, 6 Aug 2008 04:34:01 EST

Was the DC Sniper enough of a threat to get you to give up your civil liberties?

JimmyHavok: Re: sigh

Wed, 6 Aug 2008 04:32:14 EST

So, you admit you didn't even read anything I wrote. Nice!

thefadd: Re: stinks like a coverup

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:10:28 EST

It does seem odd that a supposed psychopath supposedly bent on getting back at those who he feels have slighted him would take his greatest vengeance out on such a supposedly "unconnected" group of victims. All stories in the media today are so tailored an

MayorBob: I'd agree with you on the Unabomber and Ivins.

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:09:43 EST

But the DC sniper pair were most definitely a very real threat to the general populace. Who did they target? Mostly just ordinary people going about their business: people loading stuff they bought at a Home Depot, a school kid outside his publ

pO157: Re: Anthrax Terror Case Solved? [Breaking News]

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:07:35 EST

I see your point, and it is well reasoned. Call me old fashioned, but I believe a well thought out apology from the person in charge is the right thing to do. There is still individual responsibility in government. In this case the Attorney General or the

thefadd: Re: Assume it was him

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:03:40 EST

To the extent that we can identify groups of people who are likely to employ terrorism, go after them; but we must recognize that we are also in danger of terrorist attacks from ordinary generic screwed-up people.

Thus the problem with the "te

thefadd: okay but just one

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:59:19 EST

Give me evidence, just one piece of evidence, that supports your argument that the anthrax attacks were official action of the U.S. government.

They were sent from a government lab.

profwhat: Re: sigh

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:35:07 EST

Dude, it's pathetic arguing with someone who won't even do research. Can't you even get your facts straight?

Sentences like those cannot possibly be written by someone who is seriously interested in discussing the issue, particularly coming

JimmyHavok: sigh

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:13:31 EST

The Sun is a publication of AMI, which also publishes the National Enquirer, which is where the letter that contained the anthrax that killed Robert Stevens of The Sun was addressed to. By your logic, if The Sun was a target, the USPS must have been

zyxwvutsr: Re: stinks like a coverup

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:43:18 EST

That's what they want you to think.

profwhat: Assume it was him

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:57:14 EST

The implications of this point to several ways to improve the "war on terrorism." It re-emphasizes that terrorism is a tactic, and it is a tactic that can be employed by not only radical Muslims but also by sociopaths and nihilists. To the exte

profwhat: Re: stinks like a coverup

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:52:51 EST

They did not all go to political enemies of George Bush. They also went to NBC News, the New York Post, and the offices of "The Sun," a supermarket celebrity tabloid that as far as I know never covers politics. The Post is mildly pro-Bush (at l

wetkarma: Re: Anthrax Terror Case Solved? [Breaking News]

Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:39:25 EST

All excellent points.

Then again, this therapist report where the therapist sought a protection order from the court, makes hi

permazorch: Cost Effective

Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:07:38 EST

I just want to say this was one of the few things the Bush Administration has done well.
The amount of fear and anxiety reaped by this operation was admirably cost effective. Hey, it's not like much was going to be done with this anthrax, anyway, am I

JimmyHavok: Silence of the lapdogs

Sun, 3 Aug 2008 02:25:38 EST

Bradblog points out that the media is remarkably silent on the identities of the people the anthrax letters were addressed to, although they generally say things like (New York Times) "The 2001 a

JimmyHavok: stinks like a coverup

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 20:30:38 EST

The significant fact of the anthrax mailings was that they all went to political enemies of George Bush. That's something that has never been explained, nor does this explain it.

If Ivins was a sociopath, I would expect his victims to be people wh

pO157: Re: Pretty painful way to kill yourself

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:59:18 EST

That's true. Getting high as a kite followed by respiratory arrest would probably be much quicker (and easier to stomach... ha!) than days of liver failure. I think yours is the likely scenario since he was not in the hospital for days. IIRC, didn't some l

zyxwvutsr: Re: Pretty painful way to kill yourself

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:52:25 EST

The article didn't say which Tylenol w/codeine he took, but I think a lethal dose of codeine would be 200-300 capsules or so. And it would kill far quicker than the acetaminophen.

delete me: Re: Pretty painful way to kill yourself

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:24:19 EST

Yes. I don't know enough about codeine to say whether it'd stop the abdominal pain from an acetaminophen overdose, though. It still wouldn't be an overdose that you'd want your loved ones dealing with, nevermind Ivins' purported psychological profile.

zyxwvutsr: Re: Pretty painful way to kill yourself

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:04:57 EST

News reports I've seen said he took an overdose of Tylenol with codeine.

MayorBob: Or could it be the Heath Ledger Syndrome?

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:56:30 EST

Maybe he had a killer headache and overmedicated himself.

Lou: Re: Pretty painful way to kill yourself

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:52:32 EST

odd though...maybe he is responsible for the deaths and he wanted to punish himself? No wait...it was reported that he had sociopathic tendencies.

pO157: Re: Pretty painful way to kill yourself

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:20:51 EST

I'm assuming Ivens knew pharmaceuticals, he'd know it was a slow death.

I agree that this is one of the (many) weird aspects about this case. The guy was a pharmacist yet he picked an extremely slow and agonizing way to go. I know he took the T

delete me: Pretty painful way to kill yourself

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:45:13 EST

Acetaminophen ("Tylenol") overdose damages the liver, and it's a painful death. Acetaminophen is also fairly easy to overdose on. Especially if you've been drinking booze a whole lot more because the feds won't get off your ass. 4 grams/24 hours is the max

pO157: Re: Anthrax Terror Case Solved? [Breaking News]

Sat, 2 Aug 2008 07:37:38 EST

I, for one, would really like to believe the government when they say that Ivins was the guilty party. I really would. The jackass (and that is probably the mildest possible term, or string thereof) responsible for the anthrax attacks deserved to be punish