The Palin Shocker: McCain's New VP Choice [Breaking] (Trees And Things)

zyxwvutsr: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:51:44 EST

Obama transcends voting.

pO157: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:13:45 EST

He's only in touch with the left wing nuttys who pushed him through the media as the clear choice, from the MOMENT he was elected to congress.

And here I was under the assumption that Hillary was the one running as the inevitable.

Lou: Nicknames

Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:49:23 EST

Best nickname for our next Vice President:

Caribou Barbie

Courtesy of Wonkette

TopMarineGrunt: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:54:45 EST

Barack is in touch, most connected to the American people? Wait, wha?

He's only in touch with the left wing nuttys who pushed him through the media as the clear choice, from the MOMENT he was elected to congress. Since that time he has done nothin

JimmyHavok: Re: looking like

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:01:39 EST

No, it's the fat belly and the starched jeans that give them away.

permazorch: Re: The VP debates.

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:33:27 EST

Man, I only got 23 out of 48. I suck. Those 'stans are particularly difficult, though.

zyxwvutsr: Re: Sorry...

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:29:44 EST

The scandal with her brother in law was not 'thought up' by the daily Kos, and was, in fact, reported in mainstream media

That's funny, I don't think I ever claimed that. (Perhaps you only imagined I wrote that.)

zyxwvutsr: Re: We know squat, but women aren't buying it!

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:27:07 EST

She has a history of firing people when they don't agree with her, and the brother in law isn't the first to end up on her hit list

Really? Who was first?

So far every one of my 'bullshit' links has been bac

ivyafire: Re: Sorry...

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:23:40 EST
The scandal with her brother in law was not 'thought up' by the daily Kos, and was, in fact, reported in mainstream media.
Just wait, there will be more. She's going to make Hillary look like a saint.

ivyafire: Re: We know squat, but women aren't buying it!

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:20:55 EST
I doubt I'd vote for her, let alone buy anything. See, I'm not a partisan political ideologue like you are so I can more easily assess when someone is peddling bullshit.
Ah, those pesky liberals. If you read up on what Alaskans really think

zyxwvutsr: Re: Sorry...

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:19:31 EST

...you were wrong while I was right
I have to admit that is possible, but it doesn't seem likely.
What was I wrong about?

Lou: Rough and Tough

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:04:39 EST
This is precisely what we need in the Whitehouse...a veep that won't let a silly thing like the rule of law get in the way of getting the job done. Ooorah

gerrymander: Re: not a panic pick

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:46:57 EST
the New York Times is saying something rather different -- I find the NYT to be more plausible in this case.
Meh. It just looks to me like more yellow journalism from the NYT -- obfuscation and selective emphasis to raise "concern." Selec

ivyafire: Re: Sorry...

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:28:22 EST
Nope, they're full of crap on that one.
Just like this site, they're only as reliable as the people who post there, and ,you were wrong while I was right. ;)
But the other link is based on fact, and backed up in mainstream media, just

gerrymander: Re: Those wacky Alaskans

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:02:02 EST
Maybe they're thinking that protecting of a cop who would taser his own 10-year-old son is a worse offense than lying about attempts to get the cop fired.

Lou: Those wacky Alaskans

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:35:28 EST
She does in fact, have a high approval rating...yet at the same time 87% think she was lying about her troopergate situation. Do Alaskans like liars? Or perhaps they're thinking, well yeah, she lied, but she wanted to destroy a former in-law an

zyxwvutsr: Re: Sorry...

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:12:49 EST
Hey, did you hear that Daily Kos had a piece claiming that Palin faked a pregnancy?
It must be true!

zyxwvutsr: Re: Shotgun Nuptials

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:10:49 EST
Palin has a lifetime membership in the NRA.

zyxwvutsr: Re: looking like

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:01:54 EST

...looked like Republicans
Someone should clue them in that they need to conceal the pitchfork and horns.

zyxwvutsr: Re: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:00:13 EST

Palin is dirty and vindictive. She makes a habit of firing people who don't agree with her
Again, you have cited various liberal blogs - the reputable news sources you linked to do not unambiguously support your a

port1080: Re: Outstanding Bullshit

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:03:45 EST
11.Q: Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
A:Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.<

wetkarma: Re: not a panic pick

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 04:41:52 EST
the New York Times is saying something rather different -- I find the NYT to be more plausible in this case.
This nomination is looking more a

HidingFromGoro: Crosspostin' this (not mine)

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 04:13:56 EST

miss alaska, so they said
smell of dead fish went to head
former mayor of frozen hamlet
god tells her mccain might can it
so she stands for female race
laughs at women's rights disgrace
disbelieves private penumbra
views

Shy Elf: Re: Outstanding Bullshit

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 02:07:18 EST

11.Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
A:Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our

ivyafire: Re: see above, re: push

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:45:26 EST
Obama has already been quoted saying family are off-limits and if he finds any of his staff are responsible for the rumors they'll be fired.
Unlike McCain he isn't on the record with nasty jokes about other politician's family, as

Shy Elf: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:42:10 EST

It produces a metric buttload of oil, which is important for the future.

At its best It only produced about 2M barrels/day, and now under 2/3M barrel

gerrymander: 4 out of 5 Alaskans approve!

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:33:02 EST
Palin has an approval rating of 80%. Maybe those reported were just the bitter 20% of losers.

gerrymander: Re: It's big lies all the way down

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:29:40 EST
He made his career prosecuting Wall Street crooks
And you don't think that Wall Street types frequent escort services?

Steve Urkel: She's a magic mountain, she's a leather glove

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:16:35 EST
If it turns out that Bristol Palin was taught nuts and bolts sex education in school despite her mother's preferences, will that prove something? Or does it only work one way?
"that's why America has the highest rate of teen pregnancy in the developed w

JimmyHavok: It's big lies all the way down

Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:08:13 EST
[Eliot Spitzer] made his career prosecuting men and women for exchanging money for sex.
Bullshit. He prosecuted one prostitution ring that had underworld ties. He made his career prosecuting Wall Street crooks, and their buddies in th

JimmyHavok: Re: vetting? pshawww....

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:53:33 EST
All I can say is the ones I saw on MSNBC looked like Republicans. Other people have said that they were only found where there were TV cameras.

joshv: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:20:00 EST
Oh no, this will just fan the theories of conspiracy and cover-up. I've already seen theories popping up that this pregnancy is a fake, and that we should expect a (fake) miscarriage soon, as that will put any further inquiries into the matter beyond

Lou: Surprise is the spice of life...

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:18:20 EST
But I understand no one has told him about these plans yet.
I also bet they haven't told him that he has joined the Marines, either.

tomc: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:56:24 EST
Apparently the daughter will "do the right thing" by having the child and marrying the dad.
But I understand no one has told him about these plans yet.

ivyafire: Re: Sorry...

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:37:31 EST
Oh yes, Sue, that's some of the stuff I was talking about that zyxwvutsr claims are lies thought up by the Daily Kos ;)

ivyafire: Re: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:29:41 EST
Are you claiming that Palin is "dirty"? Other than lying bloggers, upon what do you base that accusation?
Palin is

Lou: Re: Outstanding Bullshit

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:26:52 EST
Thank you, Logan...just...thank you.

logan: Outstanding Bullshit

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:17:58 EST
Not only does she have a reputation for taking a stand against government waste and Republican corruption (Ted Stevens must have soiled his shorts this morning)
I seriously doubt that. My guess is that he did a happy dance: Ted Stevens endorsed S

ivyafire: Re: see above, re: push

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:00:26 EST
They unite. And if takes a million Big Lies, so be it.
That is true. I agree 100%
If they pull a win out of this, it will be because they always stand together, which is something the Democrats never seem to be able to manage.

Lou: Re: see above, re: push

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:55:51 EST
Heh...Gerry, you just made her point. But maybe you know something I don't but is Kos now an official part of the democratic party?

gerrymander: Re: see above, re: push

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:26:01 EST
But let some idiot blogger make a nasty comment about some Republican VP nominee or her family, and boy oh boy, it's all on Obama's head.
As always, it's not just the offense, it's the hypocrisy. Larry Craig wasn't hounded because he had gay sex

ms sue: Sorry...

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:22:53 EST
if this has been posted already.

ms sue: Re: see above, re: push

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:22:37 EST
The real difference is, there is always some excuse for the Republican party, but the Democrats, who are more liberal, are somehow held to a higher standard of behavior when it ought to be the other way around considering the Republicans are the family

Lou: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:52:08 EST
Who said anything about the democratic platform? I just said it brings abstinence education into question.

ivyafire: Re: see above, re: push

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:43:59 EST
That has nothing to do with Obama, and everything to do with just how nasty people in general can be.
I am still concerning myself with the conduct of the candidates themselves, and so far, There was no "scoop." The entire thing was a complete fabrication.

...the Drudge Report...
I'm not at all familiar with the journalistic standards

ivyafire: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:56:13 EST
I don't think that picture is clearly showing anything.
I don't care, but I don't think your evidence is conclusive one way or the other.

ivyafire: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:53:54 EST
I don't think the daily Kos is the problem, because it's all over the internet in other forums.
The problem is that anyone would involve her children. There are plenty of reasons not to like her without picking on her children or grandchildren.

JimmyHavok: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:30:52 EST
far worse than 'Obama is a secret Muslim' or the "swiftboating" of John Kerry.
Why is it worse? At worst, it indicates that Palin is extremely old-fashioned, whereas the Obama lie is meant to frighten the public, and the Kerry lies were in

ivyafire: Re: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:25:53 EST
Perhaps I gave you the wrong link. There seem to be quite a f

JimmyHavok: Re: not a panic pick

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:18:49 EST
Not a bad characteristic to have in the White House.
Yeah, we really really need less transparency in our government.

JimmyHavok: Re: vetting? pshawww....

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:17:03 EST
I doubt if many PUMAs (from what I saw of them on TV) ever intended to vote for Hillary.

ivyafire: Re: vetting? pshawww....

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:38:03 EST
I'm not clear as to your "these women." If you're referring to the PUMAs, I think she will siphon off some of them.
Apparently McCain expects to do just that with this choice, but the buzz online seems to be evenly split between people like you,

Lou: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:12:24 EST
Well, the whole mess about the daughter/granddaughter thing seems to be put to rest...of course, having a pregnant, unmarried 17 year old daughter certainly brings up the question of the effectiveness abstinence education.

Lou: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:03:44 EST
I agree with you on principle. However, the right, starting with attack radio, took those gloves off a long time ago. You (not you personally, of course) reap what you sow. Personally, if this was "scooped" by the big media, I'd be outrag

zyxwvutsr: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:51:32 EST

Why is it far, far worse? I think we'd all agree that presidential politics is a rough sport...is it far, far worse because she's a woman?
It's far worse because it involved Palin's 17-year-old daughter and an infant in

pO157: DailyKos owes an apology.

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:49:01 EST
Big time.
Plus, the fact that the 5th child has Downs only strengthens the argument that it was the Governors. Children with Downs are more prevalent in women that give birth at a more advanced age.
DailyKos should STFU. It has lost almost all credib

Lou: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:44:14 EST
far, far worse
Why is it far, far worse? I think we'd all agree that presidential politics is a rough sport...is it far, far worse because she's a woman?

zyxwvutsr: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 11:27:26 EST
Apparently there's no longer any "if" about it.

ms sue: Re: vetting? pshawww....

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:58:31 EST
I'm not clear as to your "these women." If you're referring to the PUMAs, I think she will siphon off some of them.
And in Missouri yesterday, she was greeted like a rock star by 17,000 folks who seem to think that lack of experience is suddenly a big p

wetkarma: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:27:07 EST
I gain an appreciation for slander laws in the UK after reading crap like that. I'll say no more on the issue.

pO157: ZOMG! NEW HOTNESS RECORD! BIG DEAL!

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:26:28 EST
305.5.

zyxwvutsr: Re: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:56:26 EST

I would consider anyone who was nominated for the position a bit flaky if they giggled and said on camera they had no clue what their duties were if they actually were elected to said office
Again, I missed that on the

zyxwvutsr: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:44:29 EST

if the evidence presented is correct...
I presume you mean "if this blogger's interpretation of the evidence is correct."

...there is good reason to believe that Palin's latest child might actually be

MayorBob: It's a bit like the Chinese gymnast controversy.

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:57:05 EST
Right as the events were taking place we had "experts" making their assessments on how old the girls really were by analyzing the facial characteristics of the gymnasts from photographs that were taken right before the Olympics. A lot of ado over not

profwhat: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:45:22 EST
I looked at this one that clearly shows her pregnant.

MayorBob: Re: see above, re: push

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:16:04 EST
And, if it's not true, the damage manages to center mostly on DailyKos with questions about why he decided to go this deep into the sewer this early in the campaign? Nobody, that I'm aware of, connected to Obama, Biden or the Democratic Party has tou

pO157: Re: Didn't take long

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:09:22 EST
I don't care much either, but if this is incorrect Daily Kos will have lost whatever shred of credibility it had remaining.
I hope they were awful certain of this before posting it.

pO157: Re: not a panic pick

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:05:24 EST
If that is true it speaks very well of the McCain camps ability to keep things on the QT and avoid leaks. Not a bad characteristic to have in the White House.

gerrymander: see above, re: push

Mon, 1 Sep 2008 00:48:00 EST
And if it's not true, ex-Clinton voters will have confirmed for them how certain segments of Obama's primary constituency will take any steps, and proffer any slander they can think of, against a female candidate.
Yeah, that's the ticket to ensuring par

MayorBob: Re: Didn't take long

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:59:05 EST
I'd prefer that everyone just hold their breath and wait until this piece of business is either confirmed or collapsed by virtue of the development of some facts beyond the overheated suspicions of Markos Moulitsas. I just took a gander at Google New

gerrymander: not a panic pick

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:43:06 EST
The Washington Post is reporting that McCain had been considering Palin as a VP candidate since February, and had her vetted carefully

ivyafire: Re: vetting? pshawww....

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:45:35 EST
Definitely reckless.
I'm wondering how all these women he's trying to win over are going to react to her treatment of

JimmyHavok: Re: Didn't take long

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:03:43 EST
You didn't look at the pictures, did you?

ivyafire: Re: It's Over

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:01:25 EST
Funny thing: To counter the idea that McCain had already made history, I offered up Geraldine Ferraro's name. Two of the three women had never heard of her and the third had completely forgotten until I mentioned it.
What I wouldn't give for a 's

ivyafire: Re: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:54:14 EST
Actually, if you play several of her clips, she always has a barely suppressed giggle, as she does in that clip.
Play this one where the giggle isn't offensive because the subject at hand is

profwhat: Re: Didn't take long

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:21:54 EST
This is weird and wacky stuff, and I'm going to need better proof than people thinking she didn't look pregnant enough. What is this, Desperate Housewives?

profwhat: Re: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:19:13 EST
It was not a stupid question. The role of the vice president changes markedly from administration to administration. The duties under the constitution are paper-thin, so the actual day-to-day job is mostly going to consist of things the preside

ivyafire: Re: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:07:21 EST
I would consider anyone who was nominated for the position a bit flaky if they giggled and said on camera they had no clue what their duties were if they actually were elected to said office.
WTF was she thinking? The dumb blonde act is not

1fastdog: vetting? pshawww....

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:58:00 EST
but it wouldn't speak very highly of McCain's vetting process.
What vetting process? The only thing McCain and his staff of weasels were interested in was trying to quell the media coverage of the Dem's convention. It had the stink of desperation

Degee: Re: Didn't take long

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:39:17 EST
For me the most compelling is the picture of her at approximately the same stage of pregnancy with an earlier child compared to the current child. Seems quite d

JimmyHavok: Re: Didn't take long

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:20:52 EST
If it's true, it's a very pre-'50s move. I think Jack Nicholson (among others) was raised to think his mother was his sister. It was probably easier to pull off back when clothes weren't as close-fitting...and if you weren't in the public eye.<

JimmyHavok: Re: Experience

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:10:26 EST
You're citing holding the ranks of captain and lieutenant as "executive experience" suitable to prepare one for the Presidency? That's some reach you've got there.

JimmyHavok: different advantages

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:07:13 EST
Administrative skills at that level are essentially ones of delegation, and both senators and governors cannot be successful without those.
Senators bring an intimate knowledge of Congress and what needs to be done to get legislation through it to the o

joshv: Didn't take long

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:26:52 EST
So, any thoughts on the following:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223
if the evidence presented is correct, there is good re

port1080: Re: Experience

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:10:10 EST
You are spanning centuries, when the job of president was very different. Washington, and most 19th century presidents, presided over a microscopic federal government; it didn't really start to grow until Reconstruction. These men needed few

Lou: Federal vs State

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:30:23 EST
It is also the closet state to Russia and Alaska often negotiates with Russia concerning fishing territory, etc.
Does Alaska negotiate or is this the job of the fed?

zyxwvutsr: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:25:51 EST

Governors act as Commander in Chief of their state's National Guard, which could be considered a form of military experience
The governor of Alaska appoints the board of regents of the University of Alaska. Should that be con

T Slothrop: As before, it's all about the swing voters

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:21:18 EST
I do not for a minute doubt that your analysis is correct - for women who lean left.
Personally, it matches half of what I'm seeing here locally this weekend: women who tend left of center are pissed off. However the women I know who tend t

zyxwvutsr: Re: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:15:05 EST
What did you mean by, "She's a bit of a flake..."? It's not obvious by reading the linked webpage.

profwhat: Experience

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:06:27 EST
Every single president in your "top" list was either an officer in the military or a governor--and thus had executive experience. Play along with the capsule biog

profwhat: Re: Allow Me To Ask A Stupid Question.

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:18:20 EST
It's in a comment in the HTML source. Do a "View Page Source" (control-U with Firefox) and in the first screenful or so you should see a line, by itself, that says something like:

It's hidden so that people don't m

zyxwvutsr: Check it and see: I've got a fever of 234

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:54:13 EST

The "hotness" for this discussion is currently 234
Awwwww, yeah.

MayorBob: Allow Me To Ask A Stupid Question.

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:22:33 EST
How does one find out the hotness of a TnT thread?

port1080: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:13:15 EST
Senators are basically career politicians who study legal theory, attend lots of hearings and assisting in the making of laws.
By contrast, the Governorship is an EXECUTIVE position - it is administrative by nature. Governors have to make both major

pO157: Re: Outstanding

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:11:06 EST
Does anybody actually "run" for the vice-presidency? How many folks join the primary fight to get nominated to the #2 slot?
I don't think either of your examples really "ran" for the VP job. LBJ picked up the job as a consolation prize after Kennedy be

pO157: Small comment

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:52:53 EST
Senators do not have to make decisions between warring camps in their own organization, do not have to appoint people
Perhaps not. But, they have to balance their base versus reaching out to independents and other voters. They have to keep all

wetkarma: Re: Wrong, and wrong by a mile

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:52:11 EST

Obama's trouble spot, at least in this area, is overcoming the racist vote. In a stunning display of bipartisanship, I've run across a truly heartbreaking number of people that won't vote for him simply because of his skin. Forget stances on issues

ivyafire: Re: Outstanding

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:06:33 EST
Anybody who thinks VP isn't running for president is naive at best. Remember LBJ and Jerry Ford?
They absolutely must be ready to assume the duties of the office if necessary.
For McCain to pick a simpering twit who jokes about not knowing what

JimmyHavok: Palin and experience

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:01:42 EST
If you look over Palin's Wikipedia entry, it seems that her management style is "my way or the highway." She fired the entire Board of Agriculture and Conservation because t

ivyafire: The poll needs qualifiers

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:00:10 EST
Palin absolutely is the right choice for McCain, because hopefully she is the final nail in his coffin. ;)
I don't think that's what the author had in mind, though, when writing the poll.

ivyafire: Re: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:58:24 EST
She's a member of this organization.
She's a bit of a flake, and has been all over the news saying with a giggle tha

profwhat: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:26:36 EST
Thanks for the compliment, and welcome to the site! Hope you stick around.

bannister: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:56:07 EST
Profwhat - Good point, see my comments above.

bannister: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:37:28 EST
Port1080:
I'm not a Republican - but I honestly don't believe Palin is any "less" qualified than Obama.
The difference lies in the duties of the office.
Senators are basically career politicians who study legal theory, attend lots of hearings an

pO157: Re: Too much pop culture

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:17:37 EST
Yeah, after I submitted the article I realized it may be... misinterpreted. Oops.

Lou: Too much pop culture

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:05:13 EST
Every time I read the headline: The Palen Shocker, I think of this

JimmyHavok: Re: Enlightened Free Riders.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:46:04 EST
Yeah, most of the fishermen spent their winters in warm places like Mexico or Hawaii, but they still collected that sweet sweet dividend check. I never applied for it, even though I had to change my residence in order to bring my guns into the state,

JimmyHavok: Re: How enlightened.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:43:39 EST
theories of political inheritance.
At least mine is a little more nuanced than "every woman in politics got there because somebody wanted to bang her."
As for Palin, did you see the video of McCain ogling her?

pO157: Old and busted? No, New Hotness!

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:42:29 EST
The "hotness" for this discussion is currently 234. That is the first time I have seen it above 200.
Either VPILFs get more press, or this place is really livening it up after the end of summer doldrum

Steve Urkel: Curious timing

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:41:42 EST
I have to wonder if this announcement was timed to distract the world from the Swedish Lake Monster.
The end.

pO157: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:34:41 EST
And now we have Palin, who is from Alaska of all places. The only place that feels less "American" than Alaska but is still technically American is Puerto Rico.
It produces a metric buttload of oil, which is important for the future. Self relia

pO157: Enlightened Free Riders.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:29:55 EST
Around 500,000 of them are there because they (or their parents) got kicked out of the rest of the country, and there's no place left to kick them to. Believe me, the talent pool isn't deep in Alaska.
I bet a fair amount of them are resid

MayorBob: Seriously.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:28:43 EST
Just about anyone who gets anywhere in politics got there because they're either the son or daughter of someone, they made a whole bunch of money doing something else they could use as political seed money, or they had a rabbi somewhere along the line who

MayorBob: Re: How enlightened.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:22:57 EST
Don't tell that to Havok. He's so entertaining when he's explaining his theories of political inheritance.

Lou: Re: How enlightened.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:50:16 EST
In short there aren't a lot of politicos who got their jobs solely on his or her lonesome.

MayorBob: Re: How enlightened.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:42:09 EST
Pelosi also owes a certain amount of why she is where she is now because of her father who was mayor of Baltimore. Ask any Kennedy or Bush the benefits of growing up in the middle of a political dynasty.

JimmyHavok: Re: How enlightened.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:34:11 EST
Hillary Clinton owes her position entirely to her husband, and Pelosi owes hers to a friend who inherited her congressional seat from her husband.
Bill married Hillary for her lady humps? I suspect it was because of her character.
Your c

zyxwvutsr: Re: How enlightened.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:11:29 EST

Clinton and Pelosi are where they are because of their characters, not because some old horndog liked their lady humps
You're kidding, right? Hillary Clinton owes her position entirely to her husband, and Pelosi owes hers to

laputanmachine: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:26:27 EST
I haven't read much about Palin, but the first thing I thought when I heard the news of McCain's pick was... ALASKA???? Wha?
It's like this whole election is about candidates who represent very separate and bizarre American demographics. No one gives y

JimmyHavok: Re: How enlightened.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:22:12 EST
They do have close to 700,000 people who live in the state.
Around 500,000 of them are there because they (or their parents) got kicked out of the rest of the country, and there's no place left to kick them to. Believe me, the talent pool i

Degee: Re: It's Over

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:25:49 EST
there were three white, working-class Vagina-American voters
and all this time I thought the POTUS's started their speeches with "My FELLOW Americans"

MayorBob: Re: How enlightened.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:18:59 EST
"Come on, Mayor, she's a nobody." -- In your opinion, which of course isn't colored by the fact that she's a Republican.
"Her only attributes that mattered to McCain were her plumbing and her hard-right politics." -- I don't believe I ever

JimmyHavok: This tells the WHOLE story

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:05:11 EST
McCain's Brain

JimmyHavok: McCain the gambler

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:48:07 EST
You may have noted the discussion in our sister forum about the different gambling styles of McCain and Obama. McCain is a go-for-broke craps player who likes winning the long shots (which means he loses a lot), and this move is totally in line with

1fastdog: Re: Wrong, and wrong by a mile

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:45:54 EST
1% may be all McCain needs
True enough. On the other hand, 1% of Obamacons may represent all that Obama needs.

JimmyHavok: Re: How enlightened.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:43:53 EST
Come on, Mayor, she's a nobody. Her only attributes that mattered to McCain were her plumbing and her hard-right politics. So she made it to mayor of a tiny burg. How much competition was there? And the same goes for getting to gove

zyxwvutsr: Re: Wrong, and wrong by a mile

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:37:56 EST

99% of those same women will not make the change to McCain on the basis of Palin's gender alone
What's the spread right now in, for example, Ohio? 1% may be all McCain needs.

1fastdog: Re: Wrong, and wrong by a mile

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:33:42 EST
and the race was decided by women who, apparently, voted for Clinton mostly based on her gender.
Well, yeah. But those were Democratic women voting in a Democratic primary, so all other things considered equal, that's to be expected. 99% of those

JimmyHavok: Re: We know absolutely squirt about this woman

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:17:24 EST
My liking for people is dependent on a lot more than whether they have vaginas or not.

zyxwvutsr: Re: Wrong, and wrong by a mile

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:17:22 EST
McCain only needs a handful of votes in key states.

JimmyHavok: Re: Wrong, and wrong by a mile

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:14:47 EST
Considering that Obama and Clinton were so close in their policies that they were nearly indistinguishable,no doubt there were a significant number of women who gave her their vote only because of her gender. But McCain and Obama have some very signi

strangeluck: Vetting

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:43:12 EST
Another thing that makes this choice really surprising to me is the fact that, as someone who's never been in the national spotlight (or even the spotlight of a moderately sized state), her past hasn't been subject to the intense scrutiny of the national p

zyxwvutsr: Re: It's Over

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:27:21 EST

me, a Vagina-American (or is that an American Vagina?...
It depends how you wish to market yourself.

zyxwvutsr: Re: Wrong, and wrong by a mile

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:26:28 EST

...thinking that females are so dumb that they'll be swayed to vote for him simply because he picked a VP on the basis of chromosomes
Have a look at the exi

1fastdog: Wrong, and wrong by a mile

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:53:29 EST
Sorry, Sue, but your conclusion is way off. The general consensus from my relatives, co-workers, and other assorted friends and neighbors was that McCain is openly pandering; thinking that females are so dumb that they'll be swayed to vote for him simply b

ms sue: Re: It's Over

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:37:34 EST
However, the main point of the original comment might stand in that, no matter whom they vote for we'll end up with either this country's first black president or first female vice president.
Allow me, a Vagina-American (or is that an American Va

Lou: Re: It's Over

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:22:57 EST
I come here for arguments.
No you don't.

uncarved block: Daydreaming Again?

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:37:51 EST
Sure, a shift twelve points would be huge-- but I'm think Jesus Christ could return and run as a Democrat, and he still might not convince that many Republicans to vote for him. I'm laying my money on those Hillary voters remaining Democrats

MayorBob: Re: It's Over

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:22:14 EST
It is remarkable what close to a quarter century will do to people's memories. However, the main point of the original comment might stand in that, no matter whom they vote for we'll end up with either this country's first black president or first female

zyxwvutsr: Re: It's Over

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:16:36 EST

You're saying you're not as annoying in person then?
I'm a hell of a nice guy in person. I come here for arguments.
Funny thing: To counter the idea that McCain had already made history, I offered up Geraldine Ferra

profwhat: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:06:44 EST
There is a big difference between Alaska politics and national politics -- I don't deny it. But there is also a big difference between being a Senator, where you run an office of maybe 75 staffers, occasionally make speeches, go on Sunday shows, and

MayorBob: Re: It's Over

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:57:37 EST
* It's sort of a beauty parlor, but they cut men's hair, too. What is the name for that sort of place? I mean, it's not a barber shop. Whatever. -- The place I go to is called the Hair Cuttery. The way I look at it is, if you're happy with the serv

zyxwvutsr: Re: It's Over

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 08:32:23 EST

I think McCain has clinched the election with this choice
Yesterday evening I was at the local haircut place* getting a haircut. I was the only customer, but there were three white, working-class

port1080: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:18:29 EST
Palin has more executive experience than the entire Democratic ticket combined. Obama hasn't managed anything larger than the Harvard Law Review, and that was 18 years ago. Maybe she was mayor of a small city, and governor of a small-populat

JimmyHavok: We know absolutely squat about this woman

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:43:59 EST
All we really know is that she's a Vagina-American and a nobody. Everything else is speculation.
She has a habit of shaking her finger, and I suspect we'll be tired of her voice before a month has gone by. That's all I got out of her appeara

JimmyHavok: Re: The VP debates.

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:16:57 EST
But I don't think that any state regardless of size is going to elect a bimbo as governor.
Oooh...you haven't been to Alaska, I see.

JimmyHavok: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:12:42 EST
looks like he spends his free time wrestling alligators
Yes, those melanoma scars on his face are worrisome. I'm surprised you brought them up.

gerrymander: Re: Initial Reactions, Subject To Change

Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:23:58 EST
Will this make the campaign a lock for either side, considering Sue's prognosis?
I'm not as confident as ms_sue, mostly because I'm sure there will still need to be a lot of work done to convince Clinton supporters that they can feel comfortable

MayorBob: Resolved -- Veep Debates Decide Nothing.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:26:35 EST
I can't think back to a single Veep debate which really had an appreciable effect on the outcome of the election. Granted, Lloyd Bentsen's send up of Dan Quayle was priceless: "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy: I knew Jack Kennedy; Jack Kennedy wa

ms sue: Re: It's Over

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:29:38 EST
Profwhat, I'm sorry, but I honestly laughed when reading your Sullivan link.
As for why I'm so certain, let's just say it's female intuition. :-)

profwhat: Re: It's Over

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:11:51 EST
"Anti-gay" sure doesn't mean what it used to; twenty years ago it meant wanting to fire gays and quarantine them on an island somewhere, while today it means disapproving of gay marriage. Progress! Anyway, Biden and McCain both voted for the De

T Slothrop: Re: The Palin Shocker

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:39:48 EST
Just 'cuz I would love to take a long, hard look at Palin's positions... on the issues, that is not the same thing as saying that she is intellectually challenged.
Personally I prefer to lust after highly intelligent, competent women.

uncarved block: Initial Reactions, Subject To Change

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:31:26 EST
Well, one thing is for sure-- any fears of a repeat of a Cheney style administration have been pretty much put to rest :)
Will this make the campaign a lock for either side, considering Sue's prognosis? I can't see it.

ms sue: Re: It's Over

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:23:28 EST
Wow, you are more decisive than anyone else I've heard. I agree this is a smart pick, but, "it's over?" I think we have a hell of a race on our hands with four excellent candidates. For the first time, I don't feel like I have to ch

pO157: Re: Eh, Wot?

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:18:34 EST
You're probably right. If anything this neutralizes the HRC '12 run. If McCain/Palin lose then she has a legit contention in the primary during the next cycle. In that case I assume the Dem powers that be would be hesitant to allow HRC to mount a primary c

PenitenziAgite: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:17:34 EST
43 out of 48
I missed Qatar, Brunei, East Timor, Bahrain and the Maldives....

Lou: Re: Eh, Wot?

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:56:49 EST
By itself, it probably won't mean much...but if we look at it as a pebble in a pond...

uncarved block: Eh, Wot?

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:26:53 EST
disgruntled, right of center HRC supporters . . .
And how a large a percentage of the electorate do you really place that figure at? Just curious, because after living through the 90s, the conservative CW would say tha

Lou: Re: It's Over

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:55:45 EST
I have to agree with Sue. I can see the ears of disgruntled, right of center HRC supporters perking up. Oh sure, they'll probably vote for Hillary in 2012, but for now there's a fresh faced, self-avowed hockey mom (her words, not mine) who coul

rumata: Gerry -- disingenuous?

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:47:53 EST

Then you either haven't thought it through or you're being disingenuous.
You must be new here.

profwhat: Re: It's Over

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:19:32 EST
Wow, you are more decisive than anyone else I've heard. I agree this is a smart pick, but, "it's over?" I think we have a hell of a race on our hands with four excellent candidates. For the first time, I don't feel like I have to choose b

profwhat: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:16:27 EST
Palin has more executive experience than the entire Democratic ticket combined. Obama hasn't managed anything larger than the Harvard Law Review, and that was 18 years ago. Maybe she was mayor of a small city, and governor of a small-population

pO157: Re: It's Over

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:49:15 EST
For those of you who think Biden will rip her to shreds with his vast knowledge and experience, let me remind you that most people don't give a crap about that elitist stuff anymore.
Nor do people give a crap about VP debates, in general.

ms sue: It's Over

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:37:44 EST
I think McCain has clinched the election with this choice. I think he probably would have won with a couple other choices, but this was masterful.
For those of you who think Biden will rip her to shreds with his vast knowledge and experience, let me re

Jackkeefe: Re: Life Expectancy

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:35:19 EST
I'll bet McCain annonuces a one term plede in his speech. It will mitigate the age issue and allow him to campaign as being free from the political bondage of running for reelection.

Jackkeefe: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:31:40 EST
Out of curiousity, have you ever seen Palin interviewed? Or do you just believe that Biden will cream her because he's been in the Senate forever and she is newcomer to the national stage?
I've only seen Kudlow interview Palin and she was pretty frickin

port1080: Re: The Palin Shocker

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:12:28 EST
Only 63%? There's your real shocker!
And you were giving me a hard time for being sexist?

pO157: Re: The Palin Shocker

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:05:14 EST
Yeah, well, I kind of just made it up. I could go as high as 94%.

T Slothrop: Re: The Palin Shocker

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:58:36 EST
Only 63%? There's your real shocker!

Lou: Re: The Palin Shocker

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:19:43 EST
Ahhh, but the bigger question is that once you tripped your lever, would you still respect her policies in the morning?

pO157: Re: The Palin Shocker

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:15:17 EST
Focus groups say 63% of guys would as well.
And for more off topic banter, here is the most creative fark photoshop thus far of

port1080: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:11:35 EST
US life expectancy has gone up five years since 1982.
...and yet the average life expectancy for men is still 75 years. Although to be fair, as I read this chart, s

pO157: Goddamn -stans.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:06:46 EST
I gave up after 7 minutes. I got 39/48 right (no cheating), which isn't too shabby I guess since I am not running for anything. Even more frustrating was that you had to spell it exactly correct, so that was a pain in the butt.
But yeah, I'm satisfied.

gerrymander: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:01:42 EST
He's three years OLDER than Reagan was when he first took office. He will be almost as old starting his first term as Reagan was starting his second term.
US life expectancy has gone up five years since 1982. And Reagan lives 15 years past

Lou: Re: Just sayin'

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:51:48 EST
I appreciate what you're saying...I just feel that "Bush the Cheerleader" puts him squarely in the bimbo column.

gerrymander: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:50:41 EST
Obama was elected to the Senate in 2004 and came into office on January 4th 2005, so he actually has almost four years of Senatorial experience
You're right. Sorry about that.
It's also laughable to compare Palin's experience as a Mayor of

T Slothrop: Re: Just sayin'

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:45:46 EST
Sorry but I suffer from an advanced case of paleo-sexism. To me, only women can be "bimbos". Men (like your example) who exhibit similar characteristics are "morons".
I know a whole shitload of morons have been elected state governors, but I stil

Lou: I must say

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:43:25 EST
I think McCain made a good strategic choice. She seems to have conservative chops and looks to be a popular leader in her state. She's a "Feminist for Life", which might rankle the pro-choice folks, but she still self identifies as a feminist.

Lou: Just sayin'

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:30:09 EST
But I don't think that any state regardless of size is going to elect a bimbo as governor.
Are you sure about
I guess it's asking for too much, but I wish it was

port1080: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:20:56 EST
I got 42 out of 48, not too bad I guess. I would have got three more (Singapore, Brunei, & East Timor) but they're so small I couldn't see them on the map, and hence forgot about them. Totally missed Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, and Bahrain, tho

T Slothrop: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:17:39 EST
Great find!

1fastdog: assclownery

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:13:54 EST
Four letters: P U M A
Puckers Up McCain's Ass?
One would think it's puckered up enough as is.....
'Course the more one pays attention to McCain's thought processes, one would be forgiven for wondering if His Geezerdom is letting his

T Slothrop: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:13:04 EST
Sixth line should read "...only one who..."

HidingFromGoro: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:10:22 EST
If I gave you a blank map, could you name every country on it?
Only one way to find out.

T Slothrop: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:09:59 EST
What is "silly" is your assertion that ANY Presidential or Vice-Presidential candidate of the last 40 years or so anyway could pull off that feat. Sorry if my response didn't make that clear. :)
Look I don't think Palin is qualified for either job. To b

HidingFromGoro: Re: The Palin Shocker

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:05:43 EST
I'd hit it.

port1080: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:55:20 EST
Damn port, are you high? That's got to be about the silliest thing I've ever seen you post here.
You don't think knowledge of the world around us should be a qualification for president, or are you knocking me because Palin is just running as VP?

port1080: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:53:00 EST
I can find even most obscure former Soviet Republics and failed-state African countries on a map. I know the names of most world leaders. Does that qualify me to be president?
My point is that any reasonably intelligent, reasonably well-educated pers

wetkarma: well this is a surprise

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:51:21 EST
I'm somewhat reminded of how I felt when Bush announced Harriet Miers as his choice for the supreme court. Yea she's a citizen of the USA and as such meets the minimum requirements for the VP slot, but I think that this decision is based 100% on voter calc

T Slothrop: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:48:05 EST

Is it really? If I gave you a blank map, could you name every country on it? I don't think I could, although I would hope that a serious US presidential candidate could.
Damn port, are you high? That's

port1080: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:46:20 EST
Bush didn't know who the president of Pakistan was because he was (and remains) a fucking moron who is lost without his handlers.
....and yet Bush in 2000 had FAR more proven executive and political experience than Palin, and also a much better e

port1080: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:42:49 EST
Whatever he was trying to point out, claiming she can't find countries on a map is way over the top.
Is it really? If I gave you a blank map, could you name every country on it? I don't think I could, although I would hope that a seri

T Slothrop: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:40:07 EST
Bush didn't know who the president of Pakistan was because he was (and remains) a fucking moron who is lost without his handlers.
I can find even most obscure former Soviet Republics and failed-state African countries on a map. I know the names of most

pO157: Military Experience?

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:31:42 EST
I can buy that being a governor is the closest thing to being a President in the US of A. But how can people claim that acting as a governor, by itself, confers military experience? When the guard is deployed abroad they are acting in a federal capacity, a

T Slothrop: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:28:45 EST
Whatever he was trying to point out, claiming she can't find countries on a map is way over the top.

port1080: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:28:28 EST
Now wait a minute. I was going to stay out of this but this is just over the top. She doesn't know basic geography because she's a "young good-looking woman"? You are just assuming she's a bimbo.
I know as you have painstakingly pointed out Alaska ha

pO157: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:22:48 EST
I don't really think he called her a bimbo. Yes he pointed out she is physically attractive (in another sub thread), but I don't think his comment was obnoxious on its face.
I think he was trying to point out that Biden has a bunch of foreign policy ex

port1080: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:18:17 EST
senators only have to show up and vote once in a while.
Meh, that's all they're required to do, I guess, but in practice they do a lot more than that. Every US Senator and US Rep that wants to get reelected has a huge staff dedicated to

zyxwvutsr: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:05:47 EST
Edwards was a senator. Governors actually have responsibility, senators only have to show up and vote once in a while.

port1080: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:02:55 EST
John Edwards.
Good point, although Edwards at least had served in national office. He was pretty damn weak, though.

T Slothrop: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:02:17 EST
Now wait a minute. I was going to stay out of this but this is just over the top. She doesn't know basic geography because she's a "young good-looking woman"? You are just assuming she's a bimbo.
I know as you have painstakingly pointed out Alask

port1080: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:04 EST
Did I miss the special election held in 2005 for Illinois senator? No. Obama has held office exactly as long as Palin: 8 years in the minors (she was a mayor), 2 in the majors. Both had lower level community positions before those.
Obama was elec

PenitenziAgite: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:59:57 EST
Hillary Clinton supporters are bound to love.
And an anti-choice track record and Republican party membership that they are bound to not love.

zyxwvutsr: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:58:14 EST

She has absurdly less experience than any Presidential or VP candidate in recent memory
John Edwards.

gerrymander: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:46:54 EST
The beautiful part is that she doesn't necessarily have to win. If she holds her own, she gets credit for standing up to a powerful speaker -- which might be enough, if McCain mops the floor with Obama in their three debates.

gerrymander: Re: One Thing For Sure.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:44:04 EST
Other than cementing his relations with the rightmost side of the Republican Party, it's hard to see what this accomplishes.
Four letters: P U M A.

gerrymander: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:42:25 EST
Obama has three years of US Senatorial experience
Did I miss the special election held in 2005 for Illinois senator? No. Obama has held office exactly as long as Palin: 8 years in the minors (she was a mayor), 2 in the majors. Both had low

MayorBob: One Thing For Sure.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:28:29 EST
This sews up Alaska's three electoral votes. Oh wait, the only time the state went Democratic was 1964. Other than cementing his relations with the rightmost side of the Republican Party, it's hard to see what this accomplishes. But then,

port1080: Re: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:03:29 EST
Good point...I can't imagine more of a mismatch. I wonder if Palin even knows where half the countries are that Biden's been to?

port1080: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:02:00 EST
She's not running for president. She only gets to be president of McCain dies early
McCain is in his early 70s. He's three years OLDER than Reagan was when he first took office. He will be almost as old starting his first term as Reag

singularity: The VP debates.

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:59:10 EST
Biden will most likely destroy her in the VP debates.

port1080: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:49:01 EST
Well, for starters, I have always been somewhat unhappy about Obama's lack of experience - but that just makes me doubly unhappy about Palin, who makes Obama look like an elder statesman. Obama has three years of US Senatorial experience, plus multip

gerrymander: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:47:54 EST
What, exactly, makes her qualified to be president?
She's not running for president. She only gets to be president of McCain dies early or (more likely) runs on her own after four or eight years.
In the meantime, I suspect what time she spends

gerrymander: Re: Smacks of desperation or senility

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:37:54 EST
Say what you will about Obama's choice of Biden, but he clearly has the chops to be president if need be.
As opposed to Obama himself, who has Palin's level of credentials.
If she's not qualified to be Vice-President, what does that sa

port1080: Re: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:34:28 EST
As you can probably tell by my QL, I think Palin is a great choice for McCain.
What, exactly, makes her qualified to be president? I believe you've been harping about Obama's lack of qualification. What makes you satisfied that Palin

gerrymander: Outstanding

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:28:20 EST
As you can probably tell by my QL, I think Palin is a great choice for McCain. Not only does she have a reputation for taking a stand against government waste and Republican corruption (Ted Stevens must have soiled his shorts this morning), but also has a

port1080: Smacks of desperation or senility

Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:26:33 EST
What, exactly, are her qualifications? This makes a mockery of McCain's criticism of Obama's lack of experience. Obama has at least served on the national stage, has excellent academic credentials, and has clearly been preparing himself for the