Labor Union Swaps Labor Day For Muslim Holiday. (Trees And Things)

Lou: Re: Oh how things change

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:05:08 EST

Shoot a couple of hundred people and that should raise wages.

The clan warfare should take care of that.

thefadd: Re: Oh how things change

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:07:19 EST

It is a political issue when they are used as pawns in an economic system. You can not economically address the income issue unless you address that fact as well.

JimmyHavok: Re: Oh how things change

Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:39:58 EST

More workers = lower wages.

Shoot a couple of hundred people and that should raise wages.

JimmyHavok: Re: Oh how things change

Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:38:15 EST

the State Department has used religious organizations to bring lots of Somalis into places like Shelbyville in order to depress wages.

Hating on immigrants isn't the way to solve that problem, making sure people get paid a living wage is.

JimmyHavok: Re: Win win situation

Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:33:36 EST

the people of Shelbyville are being forcibly compelled to accept domestic violence, genital mutilation, and clan warfare

But what really bothers them is having to work on Labor Day.

Lou: Re: Oh how things change

Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:39:06 EST

Christ on a crutch, dude...read my comments.

Personally, it looks like both the Somalis and residents of Shelbyville are getting shafted by both the union and Tyson, and probably by the refugee resettlement folks.

After reading more of the lin

thefadd: Re: Oh how things change

Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:07:59 EST

But Shelbyville isn't an ocean. If 80% of the plant is Somali what would the plant do if there weren't Somali's there? Close? Move? Or be forced to pay better wages to white people if it wanted to stay in business? It's not like Somalis just happened along

Lou: Re: Oh how things change

Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:49:05 EST

Not in the least.

Yes, in the most. Godsdammit...I'm a liberal and I just let myself be baited! But I digress...

How you think [sic] you can argue against basic economics like that?

Think this way is how. Agreed, in a tex

Steve Urkel: Re: Oh how things change

Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:28:47 EST

Here's the letter from the Mayor. He didn't tell anyone to back to where they belong. Everyone should read it, then examine the Those "State Department has used religious organizations to bring lots of

T Slothrop: Re: The Xenophopic Ramblers

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:52:42 EST

Drop a Leni Riefenstahl film in the dvd player with the sound turned down while cranking up a recording of Flat and Scruggs' original Foggy Mountain Breakdown.

That is if you're into that kind of thing. :)

T Slothrop: Re: I thought my write up sort of covered that.

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:44:24 EST

Well you see, Mr. Mayor on this issue I pretty much agree with xenophobic rambler you were referring to.

As thefadd said somewhere else (the AIPAC thread?), I wonder if sometimes some of you don't come down on Gordo/Steve because of style, reputa

Lou: Oh how things change

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:38:29 EST

The Somalis I encountered in Lewiston Maine were by an large very pleasant people. I worked with some in an ESL program at the school. The local fabric store owners LOVED them.

Of course, then the Mayor said they should go back where

Lou: Feel the foam

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:22:52 EST

Among the facilitators I left out are The Papists.

Man...read this from the right angle and you can almost see the flecks of spittle hitting the inside of the monitor screen.

Lou: When Cthulu came to town

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:20:07 EST

"Alien Presence"

Lou: The Xenophopic Ramblers

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:18:39 EST

Kinda sounds like a hate based blue grass band, don't it?

MayorBob: Re: I thought my write up sort of covered that.

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:03:25 EST

Well, you weren't the xenophobic rambler I was referring to.

T Slothrop: Re: I thought my write up sort of covered that.

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:31:14 EST

Bob I think you know that you and I see eye to eye more often than not, and I think you know that I am center-left on many issues. However I have been personally radicalized on immigration and multiculturalism issues precisely because Monroe, NC is the nex

MayorBob: I thought my write up sort of covered that.

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:43:39 EST

"Morse has been fairly open about his skepticism over the entire immigrant worker issue. In essence he views it as a case where organized labor would really like to have more able bodies to pay union dues and pro-immigration politicians are more than ea

Steve Urkel: Re: Win win situation

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:09:06 EST
Among the facilitators I left out are The Papists.
Some fascinating background, from an interview between Jerry Gordon and a Shelbyville journalist named Brian

thefadd: Re: Win win situation

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:48:05 EST
Behind the prejudice and the fear of foreigners mongering, he does have a point. Instead of giving locals decently paying jobs, the factory brought in labor from outside to do the work at lower rates with no objection from the government.

Steve Urkel: Re: Win win situation

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:38:15 EST
Who does the compelling? In the case of the illegal Mexicans that were imported, that was mostly the meat packing plant with the government giving a nod and a wink. In the case of the Somalis brought in to replace the Mexicans, that would be the government

MC Nally: Re: Win win situation

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:26:11 EST

I was referring to Somali customs like not speaking [English], not knowing how to read (even in their native tongue), refusing to [assimilate] - i.e. wearing wacky clothes (even when it's a hazard on job) and insisting that everyone [accommodat

Steve Urkel: Re: Win win situation

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:13:40 EST
"they brought in whole busloads at a time in the middle of the night"
The proper term for that is "rapid vibrancy infusion".

Steve Urkel: Re: Win win situation

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:04:43 EST
I was referring to Somali customs like not speaking english, not knowing how to read (even in their native tongue), refusing to assimiliate -

MC Nally: Re: Win win situation

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:10:33 EST

and are forced to tolerate an alien presence in their town with an incompatible way of life.
Who knew that working on Labor Day constitutes "an incompatible way of life?"

gerrymander: Labor Union Swaps Labor Day?

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:08:35 EST
Just so I'm clear: Union officials bargained away Labor Day? One of the very first historical concessions to labor?
What have they got planned for an encore -- trading away equipment safety guards?

T Slothrop: Re: Win win situation

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 14:00:37 EST
In the 1990's Tyson did the same thing in Monroe, North Carolina, except that the "imports" were illegal Hispanics. (Literally, they brought in whole busloads at a time in the middle of the night.) A few Tyson mid-level executives did finally end up

Steve Urkel: Win win situation

Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:31:28 EST
Tyson imports Somalis, who it pays low wages to work in its meat packing plants. The native born people of Shelbyville pick up the social costs - welfare, school expenses, etc. - and are forced to tolerate an alien presence in their town with an incompatib