Will "Cable's Most Reprehensible Talking Head" Cost CNN Big Time? (Trees And Things)

permazorch: Re: Reprehensible is right

Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:49:13 EST

Hell, I'll get high and do the shooting! My pleasure, dearies.

JimmyHavok: Re: A really dumb confession

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:56:29 EST

My workshop is just over the fence from a house rented by a bunch of young white guys (I think they might be Marines, but I'm not sure) who watch Cops and Jerry Springer religiously. And when one of their friends walks in, they always g

ivyafire: Re: A really dumb confession

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:10:39 EST

Plus I am a 40-something white guy who was (at least that day) dressed in decent-looking business casual. I can only imagine how it would have gone if I'd been black or brown or under 25.
Yup. I'm 40 something and white, too, and had a chi

port1080: Re: I Am Glad We Established That Fact.

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:18:09 EST

How much police authority do you believe the public should surrender to people like Grace that they can turn a spotlight on people and blithely accuse them of crimes?

Where do you get the notion that anyone is surrendering "police authority" to G

T Slothrop: Re: A really dumb confession

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:39:52 EST

...we instantly realized why our local news has so many stories that end with the suspect became belligerent and was subdued by officers. They do things to incite anger, giving them a reason to drag someone out of their car and s

MayorBob: I Am Glad We Established That Fact.

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:35:27 EST
It's not about you or I being made happy. I do get the sense that you believe anytime someone like Nancy Grace opens their mouth and says something that if their words have consequences they can furl themselves up in the First Amendment and proclaim their

port1080: Re: A Deer Caught In The Headlights.

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:53:18 EST
"How much cruelty and insensitivity does the media have to show to people who have suffered loss and are in grief for you to be happy, port?"
It's not about me being happy or not. It's about protecting a fundamental right to freedom of the

MayorBob: A Deer Caught In The Headlights.

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:37:14 EST
You've undoubtedly heard of this phenomenon. In humans, it comes about by being totally paralyzed because of an attack so quick and so shocking and so unexpected that you simply don't know what to do. I'm assuming that's what happened to Ducket

ivyafire: Re: A really dumb confession

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:29:01 EST
Actually, I almost want to watch cops sober now, after a couple of interesting run-ins my husband and I had with local cops, separately, that were remarkably similar.
In both instances they deliberately tried to provoke us, suspecting DUI, when we were

port1080: Re: What Grace Did Went Beyond That.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:06:08 EST
Duckett was under no protective or gag orders from authorities but at what point also does Grace become liable for tampering with an investigation? She can certainly say whatever she wants from her own soapbox but bringing a key person of interest speci

port1080: Re: What Grace Did Went Beyond That.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:02:05 EST
The scenario you laid out seems more like a classic case of slander or libel (I forget what making false accusations about someone on the airwaves is called).
It's only slander / libel if it's proven not to be true (in the US, anyway - the law in

thefadd: Re: What Grace Did Went Beyond That.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:04:37 EST
Duckett was under no protective or gag orders from authorities but at what point also does Grace become liable for tampering with an investigation? She can certainly say whatever she wants from her own soapbox but bringing a key person of interest specific

T Slothrop: Re: A really dumb confession

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:50:41 EST
I'm still to this day waiting to see some wiseass come back with "Because I'm guilty as >bleep< and I didn't want your fat ass to catch me!"

ivyafire: Re: A really dumb confession

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:44:29 EST
additional scoring if he had a mullet
Don't forget the mandatory chugging any time the suspect runs, is apprehended, and responds with I was scared! when the cop asks why'dja run? (They never say 'why did you' i

Lou: Re: A really dumb confession

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:31:52 EST
He was probably a stringer for the show.

T Slothrop: Re: A really dumb confession

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:03:53 EST
Heh. Is there any other way to watch it?
We used to play some way-too-complicated-to-fully-recall drinking game that involved waiting for the white guy with no shirt (more points/shots if he was barefoot, additional scoring if he had a mullet, and even

ivyafire: Re: A really dumb confession

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:43:00 EST
I confess to enjoying watching "Cops" and "America's Most Wanted".
Aw, now I have another one.
Cops is much better when you've been drinking. ;)

ms sue: Re: A really dumb confession

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:32:06 EST
Some sites let you edit your comment until it has elicited a reply.

MayorBob: Re: What Grace Did Went Beyond That.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:28:12 EST
The scenario you laid out seems more like a classic case of slander or libel (I forget what making false accusations about someone on the airwaves is called). However, you have hit the nail directly on the nail I've been pounding here. The context and ci

stevetherobot: Re: A really dumb confession

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:10:43 EST
As I remember it, Plastic didn't let you edit or remove comments either. While an unlimited amount of time for editing comments would be a bad thing, a 1-2 minute period after posting a comment would be good. It allows you to fix those errors y

profwhat: Re: What Grace Did Went Beyond That.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:10:03 EST
Suppose Nancy Grace had not booked this woman at all, but instead, at the top of her show, looked straight into the camera and announced that this woman murdered her kid. The woman sees this, and commits suicide. Would that change things, in yo

port1080: Re: What Grace Did Went Beyond That.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:53:20 EST
It was as much an act of outright cruelty as if she had waterboarded Duckett on-air. Hyperbole, much? Duckett always had the option to leave, to just ignore what Grace was saying, or whatever (this is, I would argue, part of what differentiates

MayorBob: Error Correction.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:42:28 EST
In the last sentence in my lead off paragraph, it should read: "At that point, Duckett was not officially listed as a suspect by the police.

MayorBob: What Grace Did Went Beyond That.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:39:07 EST
In my opinion, it's just as disingenuous to suggest that what she did was tantamount to a crowd of protestors shouting "pig" at the police. She essentially accused Duckett of having killed her child and disposed of the body. At that point, Duckett was of

port1080: Re: First Amendment

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:02:29 EST
Isn't speaking an action?
It's not the same sort of action, and it's disingenuous to suggest that it is. It's one thing to punch someone in the face (that's a crime). It's another to insult someone verbally (not a crime). You've

JimmyHavok: Re: First Amendment

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:24:41 EST
ultimately the people on the other end have to be held to some degree of responsibility for their own actions.
Isn't speaking an action? Shouldn't people also take some degree of responsibility for the results of that action?

port1080: Re: First Amendment

Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:32:04 EST
OK, First Amendment fans: Is anyone disturbed by the prospect that Nancy Grace and/or CNN is getting into legal trouble because of something Nancy Grace said? I am. "Intentional infliction of emotional distress" just for...talking? It bother

JimmyHavok: Re: First Amendment / civil lawsuits

Sat, 9 Aug 2008 17:30:14 EST
So long as you don't say anything bad about George Bush or his corporate overlords, your 1st Amendment rights are infinite.

MayorBob: Re: First Amendment / civil lawsuits

Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:30:40 EST
I guess this disproves the old saw that "sticks and stones might break my bones but words can never hurt me." I would disagree that people can't be held responsible for the consequences of their speech.

profwhat: Re: First Amendment / civil lawsuits

Sat, 9 Aug 2008 15:40:23 EST
But where, in describing what Grace did, do you mention anything other than speech? Colorful phrases like "double-barrelled assault" are just metaphors; Grace didn't actually touch the woman at all. She yelled at her, and got all nasty, and did

Lou: Re: First Amendment / civil lawsuits

Sat, 9 Aug 2008 15:23:30 EST
I have to admit I don't know the difference between liable or slander, but would accusing someone of killing a child...assuming that person is innocent...constitute one of the two?

MayorBob: Re: First Amendment / civil lawsuits

Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:15:56 EST
Grace and CNN aren't being charged with having libeled and slandered Duckett. They are being charged with Grace having conducted a reckless and injurious interview with the woman. To whit, Duckett was asked to appear on Grace's show "to discuss

JimmyHavok: Re: First Amendment / civil lawsuits

Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:44:51 EST
The First Amendment doesn't give you freedom from having to deal with the consequences of your speech. Libel and harassment are not protected.

skeeter1: Re: A really dumb confession

Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:14:57 EST
"I have a really dumb confession too.
I love court tv and any show where they catch 'bad guys.'"
You're not the only one. I confess to enjoying watching "Cops" and "America's Most Wanted". I'm not big on the court TV shows, but I d

profwhat: Re: First Amendment / civil lawsuits

Sat, 9 Aug 2008 08:12:10 EST
So if civil rights protesters take out an ad in the New York Times criticizing white racists, and then white racists sue the New York Times for running that ad, saying it is slander and libel, you're OK with a court "refereeing" that fight? I still flinch a bit at the c word myself sometimes, but as you said Grace appears from what I've seen

MayorBob: Re: First Amendment

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:07:03 EST
Her First Amendment rights weren't violated because nobody in the FCC told her what to say or not to say before the interview. She's in trouble because her interview was over the top and outrageous and may well have caused an emotionally distressed p

profwhat: First Amendment

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:55:16 EST
OK, First Amendment fans: Is anyone disturbed by the prospect that Nancy Grace and/or CNN is getting into legal trouble because of something Nancy Grace said? I am. "Intentional infliction of emotional distress" just for...talking?

ivyafire: Re: A really dumb confession

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:51:34 EST
oops, meant to say CNN, court TV and all other 'catch the bad guys' type shows.
we need an 'edit post' function. (or I need to preview more closely, take your pick.)

ivyafire: Re: A really dumb confession

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:27:41 EST
I have a really dumb confession too.
I love court tv and any show where they catch 'bad guys.'
But I loathe Nacy Grace. I call her Nancy Graceless for her complete lack of tact and common sense.
I rarely throw out the C word, but she is one

keta: Re: hating on the lawyer

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:34:49 EST
What's truly amazing is that she has any viewers at all. I swear, every time I watch some television I weep at the shit that finds an audience.

thefadd: Re: A really dumb confession

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:59:12 EST
And yeah I know I could program my remote to scan in a custom order, but I am WAY to lazy to try to figure out how to do that.
Aren't we all...which is exactly why ESPN gets such a low number.

JimmyHavok: hating on the lawyer

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:56:57 EST
It's pretty gratifying that everyone else hates Nancy Grace too. If only the feeling would spread.
Here's how much I hate Nancy Grace: I hate Suzy Ormond because she reminds me just slightly of Nancy Grace.

T Slothrop: Re: A really dumb confession

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:53:06 EST
Heh.
I guess you've figured out I don't watch sports.
But I really never could figure out when DirecTV bought USSB why they didn't move CNN up into the 350-somethings or move the rest of them down to between CNN and the ESPN's.
And yeah I know I c

MayorBob: We Get It Nancy, You Hate Criminals!

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:45:43 EST
The only problem with that is that Grace begins her hating while they're still in the "accused but not proven guilty" status. I had seen enough of Grace's form of objective journalism while the Duke lacrosse thing was still on. It was her and a reporter

thefadd: Re: A really dumb confession

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 15:30:42 EST
That's funny...because 90% of my tv watching occurs between 206 and 215 (ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN Classic, NFL, NHL Networks), for the longest time I didn't realize directv even carried anything besides CNN and HLN (204, 205 or thereabouts).

T Slothrop: A really dumb confession

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:30:57 EST
My satellite provider is DirecTV. Because of a quirk in the way they acquired the rights to several cable networks many years ago, CNN and HLN are one one end of the 150 or so non-premium channels I get, while every other news, business, and public

T Slothrop: Re: Reprehensible is right

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:50:21 EST
Hell I would pay to see that.

delete me: Re: Reprehensible is right

Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:56:39 EST
Chris Hansen walks out and surprises a violent criminal who is armed and high; Chris is getting shot, [...]
I'd watch that.

HidingFromGoro: Reprehensible is right

Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:55:13 EST
I wrote about this show elsewhere last year, I'll repost the relevant part here. "SO" in this means "sex offender."
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On the subject of the shows,