Is The Apocalypse Change We Can Believe In? (Trees And Things)

logan: Re: Is The Apocalypse Change We Can Believe In?

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:09:41 EST

Please.

No one believes that Obama will solve all the world's problems. Even the man himself doesn't believe that. I would be deeply uncomfortable granting power to anyone who thought they were the way and the light and the one true path to perfection.

Lou: Re: Clay of my clay

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:49:17 EST

Yes, there have been gullible Christians in the past.

In the past? Actually, I wouldn't go so far as to use the word gullible. Gullible implies a sort of good natured ignorance that goes away once experience and facts come into play.

profwhat: Re: Clay of my clay

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:48:55 EST

Yes, there have been gullible Christians in the past. (And yes, arguably "gullible Christian" is redundant). But it doesn't follow that they are all moldable sheep waiting to bleat based on the next McCain web ad. Give these people some c

JimmyHavok: Let me see if I have it straight

Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:52:20 EST

These fundamentalist tools, willing to be persuaded that Obama is the Antichrist are a completely imaginary population. However, there are credulous multitudes who believe that Obama will bring us the solution to every problem.

Lou: Clay of my clay

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:48:31 EST

so that they are now just clay in the hands of clever strategists who need only drop a few references to convince them that Obama is the Beast. Funny, I thought Obama's famous 2004 convention speech was about ending stupid divisions like that.

port1080: Re: Dark Corners

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:22:46 EST

You might ask, then: why haven't I met these folks? I don't have to ask, I've met them. If you saw some of the crap that my aunt credulously forwards me, you'd have a much lower opinion of the intelligence of the religious right. She regularl

profwhat: Dark Corners

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:37:26 EST

How stupid do you think fundamentalist Christians are? OK, OK, wait a second before you take advantage of that obvious set-up. Here is a line from the memo laying out the case that the ad was a dog-whistle to fundamentalists:

Even th

PenitenziAgite: Re: You raise an interesting point.

Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:24:55 EST

The Rapture is considered a heresy by the Catholic and Orthodox churches, so the book series is heretical, not blasphemous.

Those who remain after this event are faced with a choice, get right with God or be condemned to eternal hellfire.

logan: Alternate Headline: McCain gets desperate.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:17:59 EST

How desperate is John McCain? His strategy is to claim that Obama is too popular.

On a certain level this might resonate with a specific audience. The idea would be to scare the far-right into voting for McCain because Obama is so freakin' popular that

thefadd: Re: Is The Apocalypse Change We Can Believe In?

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:30:19 EST

You know who is Romanian? McCain.

thefadd: Re: The teachers

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:28:20 EST

Will Haggee, Delay, Robertson, et al shout down to the Jews from Heaven, "Hey suckas...thanks for the help har har har"?

Yes.

T Slothrop: English as a second language

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:30:36 EST

I used some form of "start" three f'ing times in one sentence. Jesus maybe we DO need an edit function...

skeptic: Re: I understand that, skeptic.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:18:39 EST

First of all, recall the "Screwtape Letters" by C.S. Lewis, a book of theological essays in the form of letters from a fictitious demon named Screwtape. So yes, it is possible to express your religious ideas by writing from the viewpoint of your (rea

Lou: The teachers

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:10:38 EST

Here's a list of Christian Zionists.

But this is a puzzler for me. These folks want the world to come so they get to hang with God and Jesus w

T Slothrop: Re: I understand that skeptic.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:53:58 EST

What sort of Christian churches do teach about these things?

Old-style Evangelicals, Pentecostals, etc. used to be the only ones who put any credence in that Rapture/Armageddon crap whatsoever. However starting in the la

MayorBob: I understand that skeptic.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:55:17 EST

But the "Left Behind" series isn't targeted at atheists (such as yourself) or agnostics. They appear to be aimed at those who profess some sort of fundamental Protestant beliefs (and not necessarily some of the mainstream Protestant beliefs). Thus, if th

skeptic: Re: You raise an interesting point.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:28:05 EST

Every religious opinion is blasphemous to those who have substantially different religious opinions, so I am sure that the "Left Behind" books are considered blasphemous by many, although they are considered religiously inspired by many others. As an

MayorBob: You raise an interesting point.

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:52:17 EST

That's the point about "all of us" not inhabiting the "Left Behind" universe. I was raised a Methodist, attending Sunday School classes until I hit my teen years. After I met my first wife, I began attending Catholic services. Thus, I hav

harzerkatze: Re: Is The Apocalypse Change We Can Believe In?

Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:48:07 EST

Almost OT, but this really cracks me up:

the "antichrist isn't going to be an American, so it can't possibly be Obama ... he's going to be from an obscure place, like Romania."

Oh, of course, because the US is the center of the unive

Lou: Christians, do your duty!

Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:23:40 EST

The Anti-Christ is here. The End Times are upon us. Help bring them about.

OBAMA '08!

gerrymander: the humorless Left

Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:01:49 EST

Here's the thing: you can't get "Left Behind" anti-Christ imagery without using standard Christ imagery. According to the series*, Carpathia came clothed in the symbolism and outward appearance of a savior, which is why he was able to rise to power.

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