Why Did Iraq Violence Fall? (Trees And Things)

gerrymander: Re: Why Did Iraq Violence Fall?

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:01:12 EST

If Al Qaeda had not pursued a strategy of terror against the civilians, its not clear to me that the civilians would have ceased their natural cultural support against the foreign invader (i.e. Americans).

I think it would have been harder to cha

Lou: Re: Also Allende had it coming

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:12:11 EST

...

Steve Urkel: Re: Also Allende had it coming

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:02:27 EST

...

Lou: Re: Also Allende had it coming

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:41:36 EST

...

Steve Urkel: Also Allende had it coming

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:22:03 EST

It's not a law, but Gerald R. Ford's Executive Order 11905: United States Foreign Intelligence Activities states, "No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination [emphasis added]." Ther

MayorBob: Re: Too True.

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:34:22 EST

Or December 7th, 1941, for that matter. Yes, these seminal dates occur in every generation. I'm still not sure what any of them have to do with the loss of innocence or whether an entire nation can have innocence to lose.

MayorBob: Re: The CIA assassinated Allende

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:30:40 EST

This "somewhat weird theory" was also reported by the BBC back in 2003. The statement that his family doesn't dispute this version of what happened would seem to be buttress

thefadd: The CIA assassinated Allende

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:11:36 EST

Honestly, this is the first time I've ever heard this somewhat weird theory that he killed himself. It's been long accepted that Allende died at the CIA's hands just as we eventually got over the fact that Oswald couldn't have acted alone. We collectively

thefadd: Re: Too True.

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:06:54 EST

What about April 12, 1861, Fort Sumter, South Carolina? I think every generation goes through its own thing.

MayorBob: Too True.

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:01:50 EST

If I were to name a time when the United States lost its innocence (whatever that means) my guess would be November 22nd, 1963 at about 1:30 EST at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas.

Lou: Story link

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:55:19 EST

The CIA may have been complicit in assisting the coup against Allende, but I think you'll find that most people accept that Allende died by his own hand.

It seems that based on the involvement of Nixon and the CIA in the overthrow and suicide of

skeptic: Re: I believe you may have read it somewhere.

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:41:13 EST

I have tremendously more information relating to the 1969 moon landing than I have relating to the death of Salvadore Allende. I don't think that the two situations are really comparable. I am much more certain about what happened on the moon t

MayorBob: I believe you may have read it somewhere.

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:01:33 EST

Of course, I remember reading somewhere that the moon landing in 1969 was staged on a backlot at Paramount and Iraq had those weapons of mass destruction. It doesn't make it true.

MayorBob: Also.

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:52:12 EST

He had no way of knowing this at the time but his military successors established a track record of dealing roughly with anyone who had the misfortune of being arrested. This is

MayorBob: Post your sources.

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:23:30 EST

I mean if you have credible sources that say that Allende was murdered and didn't kill himself, then please to enlighten us.

As to why would he commit suicide only he could have provided an answer. Perhaps he just wanted it to end as he figured wh

skeptic: Re: The CIA assassinated Allende?

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:03:03 EST

Even though the death of Allende is now reported to have been a suicide (and for what motive?) I have what I consider to be credible reports that say otherwise. Apparently Allende shot himself forty times in the back, pausing only once to re-load.

MayorBob: The CIA assassinated Allende?

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:53:55 EST

The CIA may have been complicit in assisting the coup against Allende, but I think you'll find that most people accept that Allende died by his own hand. Targeted assass

skeptic: legality of assassination

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:38:02 EST

Following the CIA assassination of Salvadore Allende of Chile, Congress enacted legislation which prohibits US agents from assassinating foreign heads of state. And that is the ONLY prohibited form of assassination. In times of peace, any crimi

wetkarma: Re: Why Did Iraq Violence Fall?

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:17:27 EST

Unfortunately for al-Qaeda, these are conflicting situations; the less likely the US was to go nuclear against civilians, the more likely those civilians were to turn on the sociopaths in al-Qaeda.

I'm not sure I track this line of reasoning

gerrymander: Re: Why Did Iraq Violence Fall?

Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:04:14 EST

I'm beginning to understand why Bob Woodward was skulking around basements with shadowy figures in the early 70s -- it's because he's too bugfuck stupid to be given a beat anywhere close to news requiring even the most token levels of analysis.

You win

pO157: What is so special about Iraq?

Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:50:46 EST

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff recently told Congress that "We cannot kill our way to victory" in Afghanistan.

thefadd: Re: The Bourne Conundrum.

Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:09:44 EST

Yeah, just like the illegal...wire tapping, torture policy, outing of an undercover CIA operative, and the political profiling of federal attorneys. Man, they really got burned on those.

MayorBob: The Bourne Conundrum.

Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:45:09 EST

"... a series of top-secret operations' that allowed U.S. Special Forces to 'locate, target and kill key individuals.'"

I didn't realize they got Matt Damon to sign on for a fourth in the series. Seriously, I think that perhaps the reason f

skeptic: Re: Why Did Iraq Violence Fall?

Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:03:50 EST

I find it perfectly believable that assassination is a necessary tool for fighting the war on terror, which obviously is not going to be resolved in the old-fashioned manner by having two opposing armies meet on the battle-field and fight until one s