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Vice, Vice, Baby!

pO157.

Posted to Etcetera on Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 02:10:11 PM EST. RSS.

In these times of economic uncertainty wouldn't you like to know a place to park your hard earned cash that has a record of strongly outperforming the market and investing in assets humanity can't seem to do without? Perhaps your answer is The Vice Fund.

The fund is based on the idea that humanity will always consume certain products and services; therefore the managers invest accordingly. For example, their largest holding is cigarette maker Altria, Inc. Other assets include stock in alcohol manufacturers Diageo LLC, and gambling concerns.

As one would expect, on the matter of guns v. butter, the fund plows the dollars into arms manufacturers (who have constantly outperformed the market for the past 30+ years). From their literature:

Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea. Those should be reason enough to believe in Defense Stocks. Homeland Security and anti-terrorism have become large, profitable industries. So called "Socially Responsible Investors" would claim that you shouldn't own stocks that have anything to do with defense or weapons. That means that all of the Aerospace and Defense Industries are to be avoided. Maybe in a perfect world these industries wouldn't need to exist, but until that perfect world does exist, we want to own these stocks.

Through good times and bad times, Aerospace and Defense firms employ millions of Americans and contribute billions of dollars to the U.S. economy. They provide technological innovations that are used in almost all of our daily lives. Why wouldn't we want to invest in these companies?

Obviously, investors wouldn't be sinking their dollars into this venture if it wasn't lucrative. The fund, 4 years old, has made an average quarterly 3 year return of 20.74%, clobbering the rest of the market. Of course, those with only a few bucks to invest may be better off simply trying to get rich at the casino instead of buying stock in it --- the prospectus mentions an initial $4,000 buy-in required (that's up from the $2,500 buy-in price of a few years ago).

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I'll stick with my principals

3fingerspointback.

Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 03:36:18 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

Vice is beating the market, but the two Social Funds in my portfolio have either been beating or matching it in performance.  What I find more striking is that all three funds are kicking the ass of the big Fidelity monsters that I'm getting through my 401k.  It's apparently more profitable to go to extremes these days than to hug the middle ground.

Also, it's a little disappointing to see that the Fund is stuck in the mental trap of defining "Vice" as something politically incorrect to liberals.  I didn't see any investment in Indian gaming in their prospectus, even though that market has much more national growth potential than properties stuck in Nevada or the Mississippi.  Nor are they investing in any construction companies known to employ undocumented immigrant labor instead of their full-price competitors.  And investment in sex is virtually nonexistent--only a bit of money thrown towards Playboy, and nothing for birth control manufacturers.  Could this be the start of a class-action lawsuit by shareholders that aren't seeing their money go into sufficiently profitable vices?

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Vice, the Departed and a large Soda

wetkarma.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 11:11:55 PM EST

4.66 (brilliant, informative)

Tonight I went to see "The Departed" a film which is a shoe-in for Best Picture, and a bunch of other "Best" awards come Academy time. The theater I saw this masterpience at promised unlimited refills of both popcorn and soda providing the consumer bought the large version.

Who was I to refuse?

If only gluttony were somehow sinful...one could almost see where the Vice Fund could make a case for investing in Movie Theater chains.  Which of course brings me to Vice Funds "market beating" return. Kinda odd that the focus in the writeup is for a 3 year return (20.74) when the fund is 4 years old don't you think? Almost makes someone who has just drank a large soda and ate a crapload of popcorn (not to mention popable snickers) peruse the prospectus while contemplate whether patience is really a virtue if one has to pee and the bathroom is occupied.

And so what do I find..instead of 20%, we are now at (since inception) 16.6% return. Still nice..still respectable. Wait though..forgot to pay taxes...and oh yea withdrawal costs. Now we're down to 14.48 return. Not too shabby. Oh wait..forgot the funds expenses...after all the managers need to be paid. Thats uh 1.75%. Final answer: 12.73

But here's a question. What did the broader market as measured by the S&P 500 do in that period? ...11.71%. So basically the Vice Fund outperforms the broader -safer- market by 1%.

Seems to me that Vice, much like the large soda and popcorn deal, just isn't worth it.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: Vice, the Departed and a large Soda

rombuu.

Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 11:35:49 AM EST

4.66 (astute, astute)

You took taxes out of the Vice Fund calculations, but didn't on the straight S&P numbers.  And you are going to have some (granted, much lower) costs when you buy and sell a S&P fund as well.

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Re: Vice, Vice, Baby!

rombuu.

Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 03:34:09 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

Every time I get back from Vegas I think, man, I should invest in some "gaming" stocks.  Then I look at their performance and it sucks.  Must be the overhead on all those fancy hotels.

I don't see why these funds wouldn't be popular.  Its a way of diversifying that works to almost everyone's advantage.  If you like alcohol, smokes, and gambling.. hey, these stocks do well, and you make money.  Who hooo.  If for some reason you are one of those crazy people that doesn't like those things, well, you invest in this.  If they do poorly, hey, you should be happy, you don't like those things.  If they do well, hey you made money, you can now give this money to efforts to keep people from smoking / drinking / gambling / having fun.  Sounds like a win-win.

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keta.

Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 02:13:47 PM EST

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include "Dallas-based" before 1st mention of "The Vice Fund"...otherwise nice sub, run it...I'm not crazy about cross-linking w/ Plastic, let's break the umbilical now...

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1fastdog.

Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 07:26:17 PM EST

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I'm not crazy about cross-linking w/ Plastic, let's break the umbilical now...

I included the Plastic link strictly for the context of how it looked from a "then -vs- now" point of view for those interested. wetkarma brought it up in the Q and I thought it was worthy of inclusion for the reason stated above.
On an editorial note, I don't plan on including links to Plastic unless something specific and/or particularly relevant is brought to my attention by other TnT members.

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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AI.

Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 02:30:37 PM EST

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Will there be any other website we try to avoid linking to?  No?  Do we have special issues with the website who shall not be named's credibility?

 If you want to make this site it's own and you make a point to not make it Plastic.com, then it really isn't it's own.  Plastic exists and is popular and will remain so.  Choosing to ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist is sort of sad.

It reminds me of all the anti-slahdot crowd on Plastic.  actually can we link to slashdot?  I know that was frowned upon on plastic.

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keta.

Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 06:30:16 PM EST

none

Fair enough.  You and 1fastdog both make valid points.  My comment was more in the nature of, "if a subject comes up that has been discussed on Plastic, we don't need to link every time."  This seems to be the tack.

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If I could cherry-pick, I'm there!

permazorch.

Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 03:52:41 PM EST

none

For instance, I don't want to invest in all tobacco companies, just the one that makes the smokes I like, and I don't want one more of my pennies going to making the bombs. Well, you get the idea.

Oh, yeah, I'd need $2,000.00 USD, first, too.

----- The earth may fail, but we will quiver

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