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Three Rivers, Three Colleges, And $3 Pitchers Of Beer Make A Deadly Combination.

MayorBob.

Posted to Etcetera on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 02:27:08 PM EST. RSS.

Although the headline reads like the title of a Country & Western tune, it encapsulates the combination of circumstances which have a Wisconsin town looking for answers.  The question that La Crosse, Wisconsin city officials are trying to answer is what to do to prevent any further senseless deaths in their town?

The deaths they are trying to avoid are drownings in the rivers which run through La Crosse.  Town officials already know the causes of the drownings - college undergrads with too much booze in their system make lousy swimmers.  Luke Homan, a University of Wisconsin-La Crosse basketball player was the latest lousy swimmer in town.  His body was pulled from the Mississippi River a few weeks ago.  Homan's autopsy indicated his blood alcohol level was four times the legal limit at 0.32 percent.  Homan became the eighth college-aged man in La Crosse to die in such a fashion over the last nine years.  The current streak began with the alcohol-related drowning of a 19-year-old back in July of 1997.

Alcohol-related drownings are nothing new in La Crosse; the first one was recorded back in 1867.  The current streak has people perplexed because they all involve college-aged men from one of three schools in La Crosse: UW-La Crosse, Viterbo University, and Western Wisconsin Technical College.  Thousands of undergrads at these three schools they find themselves in the middle of what police call "a culture of binge drinking."  Downtown bars offer unlimited possibilities to young drinkers, with very little encouragement to moderation or self-discipline.  Bars offer regular specials such as "all you can drink for $5", dollar a shot nights, and $3 pitchers of beer until 1:30am.  Even Mayor Mark Johnsrud doesn't see much hope, "I'm not sure anything we do can prevent a future tragedy."

Local residents recently met with members of an alcohol oversight committee to offer their thoughts on the problem.  Ideas such as erecting a fence, gates, or sets of lights along the river were heard as they were heard two years before after the seventh drowning victim was pulled out of the river.  A local editorial stressed that the river wasn't the problem -- the problem lay with people's inability to stop drinking when they're falling down drunk.  According to one undergrad, the promotion and encouragement of drinking is the cause of the problem, "the culture is already up on a pedestal in this town."  Some of the other recommendations included cutting off sales of shots at 10:30pm and celebrating Oktoberfest over one weekend, rather than a week-long event.

Mayor Johnsrud doesn't like the idea of fences or gates - he doesn't want to spoil "the natural beauty" of the riverside or give anyone any ideas about the river being a "playground" for drinkers.  City council will consider the idea of motion-sensitive lights along the river to startle drinkers.  However, with a price tag of $60,000, the lighting idea moved one alderman to comment that "squirrels and bunnies" would likely set them off.  Some students have been forming riverside patrols to look for over-imbibers straying too close to the river.  School authorities believe the answer comes from a concerted community effort to warn students of the dangers of binge drinking, hopefully leading to a bit more self awareness on the part of the students.

Tags: edited by Port1080, alcohol, college, Wisconsin, beer, binge drinking, written by MayorBob (all tags)

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Natural beauty

anykey.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 04:39:41 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Look at that picture: An uneven block walkway with an ankle high curb above a river...

It's like they had intended to construct a drunk trap.

"Peculiar travel suggestions are dancing lessons from God."

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Fuckwads Abound

keta.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 05:26:32 PM EST

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Wow.  A whopping eight college students drown in a river over nine years, and someone proposes building a fucking fence?  It's a toss-up who's the bigger idiot - the drunk drowning in the river, or the legislator(s) floating the fence idea.

From the first link:
Joe Werner, 22, a senior on the University of Wisconsin-Lacrosse basketball team, compared Homan's death to losing a brother.
"They need to do something more down by the river," Werner said. "If enough would have been done, it wouldn't have happened again."

I am heartily sick and fucking tired of people like Werner shifting blame from what is a personal accountability issue.  Homan was wired to the tits on booze, alcohol I'm assuming he knowingly imbibed.  But to Werner's thinking the problem lies elsewhere?  It was someone else's responsibility?  You, Mr. Werner, are a fucking idiot.  But you're not alone.

The prevalence of Werner's attitude makes me want to puke.  How did we become a culture that seemingly can never, ever, accept personal responsibility for our actions?  How did we become a society that looks to lay blame on anything/anybody other than where it often most belongs?  How did we all become so fucking namby-pamby that we can't admit to mistakes?  

I tell ya', it's stories like this, and fuckwads like Werner, and the fence-people, that really frost my fucking doughnuts.

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One More Reason To Hate the '80s

cloudofdust.

Mon Oct 30, 2006 at 11:05:00 AM EST

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How did we become a culture that seemingly can never, ever, accept personal responsibility for our actions?

Some time between 1978 and 1993.

After the release of The Deer Hunter in 1978, there was a rash of copy-cat Russian roulette suicides. There was no widespread reaction of blaming the film or its makers for the bad choices of a few individuals.

In 1993 a film called The Program was released. There was a scene in the film where some football players lay down in the middle of a busy street. A few teenagers were injured and killed recreating the stunt in the real world,there was much hue and cry and the film was altered to remove that scene.

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Re: Fuckwads Abound

MayorBob.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 09:39:39 PM EST

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"How did we become a culture that seemingly can never, ever, accept personal responsibility for our actions?  How did we become a society that looks to lay blame on anything/anybody other than where it often most belongs?  How did we all become so fucking namby-pamby that we can't admit to mistakes?"
Nice rant, but I'm wondering what the problem with fences is?  I mean, not necessarily to save the drunken college undergrad from his own stupidity, but how about younger kids who might get a little too close to the edge?  Or just some near-sighted, clumsy person who trips and falls in?  One would think that the odds are that something like that has happened in the past or could in the future.  Wouldn't the prudent thing be for the city to just put up a nice looking wrought iron fence at the edge of the water?  

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Fuckwads Abound

Lou.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 10:07:17 PM EST

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I guess what I would want to know is this...what is the ration of dead college students to dead little kids (from drowning, that is)?  If too many wee bairns are found belly up, put up the fence...it more college students are found, lower the price of beer.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Fuckwads Abound

eduardo.

Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 01:50:10 PM EST

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keta, while I agree with you re: personal responsibility on individual level, I think the town can't just say "ah they were retards, fuck'em." There clearly is a problem and the town needs to deal with it - or else they have to deal with the consequence of the deaths (I am sure there are lots of municipal costs involved with someone drowning like that, not to mention the bad publicity and possibly litigation). So since they can't turn every fucktards into a non-fucktard, they have to do SOMETHING to improve their own situation.

I have no idea what the solution to the problem is. But just wanted to point out that even though we all understand that these drunken assholes were, indeed, drunken assholes, this understanding doesn't help the town reduce the number of drunken assholes which drown there, which is the problem they're trying to deal with.

-Ed

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Practice

Steve Urkel.

Sat Oct 28, 2006 at 01:50:33 PM EST

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People need to practice, or condition themselves if you will, to stay away from the things which could get them into to trouble while intoxicated. Is there a river you might drown in near where you drink? Don't visit it, or that park, while sober. Everytime I see a gas can, for example, I make a mental note, "gas can evil, don't touch - gas can evil, don't touch". Doing this has reduced the number of arsons I've set while drunk by at least 20%.

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Spoil The Natural Beauty Of The Riverside.

MayorBob.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 03:00:33 PM EST

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Ah, yes, I guess Mayor Johnsrud doesn't think the corpses they haul out of the river do anything to spoil the "natural beauty" of La Crosse.  And they can certainly place the sensors in such a fashion that the widdle bunnies and wabbits don't trip the lighting.  So, I'm not sure why the civic leaders aren't doing something about trying to make the park just a little more suicide-proof.

But, you know, even if they build a fence 100 feet high along the river and the motion sensors set off supernova-quality spotlights on the river and they also include an audio loop of some old guy yelling "HEY YOU KID, GET THE HELL OFF OF MY LAWN" La Crosse is still going to have a problem.  If they don't get killed falling into the river and drowning, they're going to try to stagger across the interstate or, how about this, just imbibe enough alcohol to get the blood alcohol level higher than 0.32.  Obviously, the problem is college-aged kids away from home with nothing else to do but head on down to the Rathskeller for dollar a shot specials and two for one Long Island Iced Teas (not to mention the $3.50 pitchers of brew).  This sort of thing has been going on in college towns since there have been college towns.

One thing that could be done, if the town and the colleges actually cared, would be to be a bit more strict in enforcing the drinking laws of the state.  When I wrote this up, I assumed given the absolute free access to alcohol that the drinking age was 18.  Someone in the queue mentioned that it's 21.  So, why don't the police check out a few bars on Friday and Saturday nights, carding patrons and writing up the proprietors for serving underaged drinkers.  I know it's possible (likely easy) to get a fake ID, but I have to believe absent any sort of police action, the kids probably don't even go to the extent of dummying up an ID.  The schools need to also face up to the facts that, while the students are there, they (the schools) assume a minimal responsibility for insuring they're not spending more time in suicidal behavior and less time cracking the books.

 

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Spoil The Natural Beauty Of The Riverside.

Shy Elf.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 04:29:07 PM EST

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Wisconsin seems to be a particularly bad example of this kind of thing.  Some years ago, I was in Madison, and every electric pole in town had a small sign on it warning you not to climb it (presumably while drunk) because you would be electrocuted.

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What ever happened to law enforcement?

Thalia.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 03:58:02 PM EST

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There are two laws obviously being violated here.  One is serving alcohol to people under 21, and the other is serving alcohol to someone who is already drunk.  Instead of building a hideous fence, maybe we should just enforce the laws we already have?  If bar tenders and bar owners would have to face fines, and for enough violations the loss of their liquor license, I bet they'd be a bit more careful about who they served.

Thalia

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Drain the River

Shy Elf.

Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 04:33:38 PM EST

none

In response to your poll question, the river at that area is an artificial barge navigation pool which can be drained by flicking a few switches.

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A no-win

Lou.

Sat Oct 28, 2006 at 10:12:46 PM EST

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I thought about that too...but here's the rub.  You just now that some drunk patron of Darwin's waiting room will topple into the now dry river...sure, he won't drown...but he'll probably take a header into the muck, thus breaking his neck.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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