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Starbucks Gets Burned By Spilled Drink Lawsuit

MayorBob.

Posted to Etcetera on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 03:04:24 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Recalling the infamous case of the grandmother and the scalding McDonalds coffee, a spilled cup of liquid bought in a drive through lane has sparked a court case.  Only this case involves a fast food franchise which specializes in dispensing hot liquids.  I present you the case of "Starbucks and the Spilled Kiddie Hot Chocolate."

Alexis Brennan was on a trip to Indianapolis two years ago when she pulled into a Starbucks to get hot chocolates - one for her and one for her child, Rachel.  Rachel, whose age is not disclosed, was in a child restraint seat in Brennan's car.  She handed the hot chocolate to Rachel and pulled out of the Starbucks.  In doing so, Rachel lost control of her hot chocolate and the contents spilled onto her lap.  She began screaming in pain and by the time Brennan stopped and began removing the child's clothes "skin on Rachel's leg was falling off of her."  Rachel was quickly taken to the hospital where it was determined she had suffered serious burns which has required serious medical attention and likely will continue to require same in the future.  This is where the lawsuit filed this week by Rachel's parents begins.

The lawsuit alleges that Starbucks was negligent because the company policy is to prepare children's hot chocolates at a lower temperature, thereby avoiding any burns which might come about due to a spilled drink.  It claims the Starbucks employee put the hotter drink in Rachel's cup with disastrous results.  The suit asks for unspecified damages.  The company's response thus far has been provided by its PR flacks -- "Starbucks Corporation takes seriously its obligation to provide a safe product to all our customers, and we are truly sympathetic to the Brennan incident that resulted in injuries to this customer's child."  The statement went on to point out that the "incident happened after the vehicle had pulled away from the drive-through window" and the company was sure that the drinks were properly prepared and thus the spill wasn't their fault.

Now there are collectives of Starbuck haters on the web where, if you search long enough, you'll find a mention or two of this.  But there is also an internet forum which discusses Starbucks information in a more even-handed way, where thoughts and misgivings about such a court case are discussed without a constant reminder that "Starbucks Sux."  Although some of the comments have to do with how hot a child's drink should be dispensed, there does seem to be a sentiment that Mrs. Brennan was partially culpable by a). not checking the temperature of the drink herself, and b). allowing her child to drink a hot drink in a moving vehicle.  I couldn't find any Starbucks policy manual which speaks to the differing temperatures for children drinks as opposed to adult drinks, this page seems to indicate that hot chocolate isn't served for both adults and children - children get a special cocoa drink. While there are a few comments from the starbucksgossip blog relative to the degree of discipline shown by Starbuck baristas in preparing hot chocolates at the proper temperature, reports elsewhere indicate that not every Starbucks is as rigorous in insuring proper liquid temperatures.  

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Re: Starbucks Gets Burned By Spilled Drink Lawsuit

MayorBob.

Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 03:19:09 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

What sort of idiot hands a hot cup of anything to a kid in a booster seat in the back of a vehicle?  I don't care if her attorney does find the company policy that says kid's cocoa shall be served at no more than 130 degrees fahrenheit -- that's still to hot to risk having a kid spill it onto herself.  When I was carting my granddaughter around and we got her a cold coke, the drink always got transferred into one of those non-spill cups to prevent her from ruining her outfit in an accident.  But to blithely hand a steaming hot cup of hot chocolate (and it had to be scalding hot to do all the damage it did) to little Heather in the back seat while you're trying to race on over to Bloomie's for the big sale transfers a good amount of the blame to you.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Thalia.

Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 05:39:39 PM EST

4.50 (informative)

I'm with you.  I wouldn't hand a hot drink to my kid anywhere without testing it.  (On the other hand, I wouldn't hand him a Coke either.  Yuck!)  I know better than to trust Starbucks.  But Starbucks does, in fact, make a "kiddie cocoa" in a smaller cup which is usually luke warm.  I'm sure that's what she was expecting.  It's still partially her fault though for not checking up on that drink before handing it to her kid.

Thalia

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Re: Starbucks Gets Burned By Spilled Drink Lawsuit

Smash Hit Tom.

Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 05:37:24 PM EST

none

What kind of idiot gives coke to a small child? People make mistakes. You think this kid's mom doesn't feel guilty as hell and extremely responsible? Maybe you're a bit too removed from the days when you had to care for small children on a daily basis. If Starbucks is going to offer a kiddie version of a hot chocolate, they need to make damned sure that their baristas have the fear of god in them about serving it at an appropriate temperature. I don't particularly care if this family scores a big settlement, I just think it's for the best that the company makes its policy crystal clear, with termination penalties for anyone who fails a spot check. A slap in the mouth from the courts would do a lot to insure this. And really, if you're serving milk based drinks, they aren't supposed to be scalding hot for taste reasons. Starbucks really fucking sucks at making decent drinks, but the vast majority of consumobots have no earthly idea that they're missing anything, since they've been seduced by marketing and convenience, and have never tried it anywhere else, or have been conditioned by Starbucks into thinking that their way is the one true way.

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MayorBob.

Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 07:00:23 PM EST

3.66 (informative)

My friend, when my daughter and her ex broke up about eight years ago, she and the granddaughter moved in with us and I became a de facto father in her life.  I know you had no way of knowing that, but perhaps you'll think twice before you start calling out people for having no clue about what it takes to parent and protect their children.  Do I realize that people make mistakes?  Hell, yes.  I've made my share of them in my life.  But, perhaps it's me, but when I do screw up, I accept the consequences of my screw up.  I shoulder my guilt, learn my lesson, and don't look elsewhere for someone to pick up the pieces.  If you read that Starbucks blog, they're still talking about hot chocolate for kids being served at 130 degrees.  As I said that's still too hot to put in the hands of a kid in the back seat of a moving car.

If it seems I'm a little short in the sympathy department for Ms. Brennan it's because I am.

 

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Smash Hit Tom.

Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 10:05:06 PM EST

none

Well, so am I. Her kid, on the other hand, I have lots of sympathy for. To me this isn't so much about picking up pieces and assigning blame as keeping more kids from being burned. Maybe you figure a few burned kids is a small price to pay for, uh, what is it exactly?

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MayorBob.

Thu Nov 23, 2006 at 12:04:42 AM EST

none

First I'm too old to remember what it means to be a parent.  Now, I'm advocating turning kids into crispie critters.  You do know how to dredge the absolute worst out of what someone posts, don't you?

You want to insure that Starbucks is punished so that no more children can ever be burned by their hot drinks?  Answer me this question, how many children exactly is it that have been burned by Starbucks hot drinks?  This sort of case is the type which should be decided by a judge and jury assigning a percentage of the blame in this case.  I'm thinking it's maybe a 30%-70% split with Starbucks being responsible for the lesser percentage.  Thus, Starbucks gets dinged for 30% of what it cost to have the Brennan kid recover from her injury.  Unless there's some other victims of burns from Starbucks hot drinks, then I fail to see the need to assign punitive damages.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Starbucks Gets Burned By Spilled Drink Lawsuit

Smash Hit Tom.

Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 06:57:02 PM EST

none

Now, I'm advocating turning kids into crispie critters... Unless there's some other victims of burns from Starbucks hot drinks, then I fail to see the need to assign punitive damages.

I didn't say you were advocating, but you don't seem too concerned that it could happen again. Maybe it won't. I hope not. Since I don't frequent the place I have no way of knowing what Starbucks' policy is regarding the heat drinks are served at. I know for a fact, though, that serving drinks hot enough to produce third degree burns is stupid from any angle you care to approach it. If I were the ultimate arbiter, I might assign damages to the plaintiff in the amounts you suggest. Then I would hit Starbucks for another couple million to donate to the Shriners.

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rombuu.

Thu Nov 23, 2006 at 07:51:53 AM EST

none

I have lots of sympathy for. To me this isn't so much about picking up pieces and assigning blame

If you've filed a lawsuit, isn't this exactly about assigning blame?

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Thalia.

Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 12:58:27 AM EST

none

It could be about assigning blame.  But it could be about (1) recovering enough money to cover the repeated surgeries this little girl is going to need, and/or (2) forcing Starbucks to be more careful.  Neither of these is a bad thing.

Thalia

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shatov.

Fri Nov 24, 2006 at 09:56:55 PM EST

3.00

My parents fostered children, so I've had some experience with this - well, we can't say for sure that the kid's mom feels guilty as hell. I'm sure that she feels something, but it might not be guilt. If she felt extremely responsible, then why is she suing Starbucks?

If you can assign the blame onto somebody else, then do it - and get a fat wad of cash at the same time.

Feelings such as guilt are not simply primal instincts, but instead our society has an important role to play in deciding how those feelings are interpreted, dealt with and expressed. Feeling guilty, especially for something like this, is life-numbing, so "naturally" she is going to look for somebody to transfer the guilt too. Now she is feeling angry at Starbucks, because they are guilty for her precious daughter's scars. Not the mother, no, it is Starbucks. Because they were negligent.

But can we realistically expect Starbucks to get it right 100% of the time? Shouldn't you exercise caution when giving a drink to a little girl in the back of a car? If you prepared the drink yourself, wouldn't you check it after you prepared it? Starbucks prepare these drinks, but they don't control what you do with it after you buy it.

Perhaps Starbucks crime is that they didn't put a little sticker: "Caution, this cup may contain hot liquids. Don't leave children unattended with this cup." They didn't cover their ass - giving the cup to a child in the back of the car, and then driving off, is leaving the child unattended with the drink.

Really, we need to sort this shit out. Society can't function well with all this litigation going on.

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Smash Hit Tom.

Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 06:49:46 PM EST

none

What should she do? Jump in a hole? You do whatever you can for you child and the children of other people. Yeah, we can't assume with 100% certainty that she's not some freakish sociopath who has no particular emotional response to watch her daughter's skin slough off. Seems like a pretty damned insignificant hair to split if you ask me.

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shatov.

Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 10:57:01 PM EST

none

I said that her response to the feelings may not be the same as you would have - I didn't say that she wouldn't have any response.

Yes, she is feeling emotions - but how is she interpreting those emotions? Guilt is a pretty complex thing, and a large part of it is societal conditioning. Suing Starbucks because you aren't careful enough with their products is not a reaction that everybody would have.

There are parents whose response to guilt is to find somebody else to blame - it can be much easier than accepting responsiblity for your own mistakes. This isn't the same as saying that they have no feelings.

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Re: Starbucks Gets Burned By Spilled Drink Lawsuit

JimmyHavok.

Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 02:41:46 AM EST

none

Society can't function well with all this litigation going on.

I've got a better idea.  How about vigilante justice?  Your kid gets hospitalized by a Starbucks drink, you go down there with a bat and bust the place up.

Or maybe everyone should just suck it up.  Let businesses go on heedlessly selling dangerous stuff to people...there are too many people in the world anyway.

Litigation exists for a very good reason: to settle disputes in an orderly and nonviolent fashion.  Without it, either the strong or the crazed win every dispute, and there is no justice.

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clambake.

Fri Nov 24, 2006 at 08:43:45 PM EST

4.50 (informative, informative)

Every starbucks I have ever been to in the last 5 years has sold their hot chocolate and mocha, even for adults, remarkably cold for being "hot".  Sure you can mildly burn yourself when it's first poured, but it's less than first degree.  It's like a mild reddening and that's when you dump your hand into it.  On the rare occasion when I get a non-milk drink, maybe that could do some damage if I left my hand sitting in it for a little while, but even then it's not like it's some kind of stew...  And their kids drinks are even colder.  To be hot enough to slough off skin in the five seconds that it should take an average mom of a severely burned pain-screaming child to hop the back seat and remove the kids clothing , it would have to be bubbling in the cup.  It would have to be making a little whistling sound as the steam escaped in billowing clouds from the little hole in the top of the cup.  Either this woman spilled a completely DIFFERENT thing on her daughter and later decided that it was starbuck's fault 'cause the hospital bills are expensive, or starbucks DID make that drink way to hot for any customer, adult or child, to consume in the normal way without risking serious injury.

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kcwookie.

Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 03:28:26 PM EST

3.00

I don't think that Starbucks is the problem.  The parent should have ensured the safety of the child buy either not giving it to the child unsupervised or making sure that it was not hot.  

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silence.

Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 03:11:52 PM EST

none

It was only a matter of time.  I can't tell you  how many times I've scalded my tongue on a cup of their drip coffee.  I usually have to let their coffee sit for about 5 minutes before I drink it.  Not ideal.  No warning makes up for the fact that the stuff is just much more hot than required.

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nmiguy.

Fri Nov 24, 2006 at 10:39:35 AM EST

none

And Starbucks has this way of filling the hot coffee cup right to the very brim, so putting on or taking off teh cap to put in your cream or sugar and you usually get very hot coffee on your hands or lips.  At least they have those cardboard cup sleeves, so you can hold the hot cup.  Starbucks coffee is strong, bitter, and very very hot.  Their chocolate is also very hot.  And I always ask them to leave a little space for the  cream, because if you don't ask they fill it right up to the top, and that adds to the risk of being burned.  

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Safety First

tomc.

Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 05:36:10 PM EST

none

Isn't all that whipped cream supposed to prevent burns?

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HOT

permazorch.

Thu Nov 23, 2006 at 10:20:29 AM EST

none

There's a reason why they call it hot chocolate. It's HOT! Blame all 'round except for the poor tyke.

----- The earth may fail, but we will quiver

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paperwings.

Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 06:51:52 AM EST

none

My brother has worked at Starbucks for almost 8 years now and he has said many times that he is surprised this has not happened to them (until now and since the McDonald's incident).  Well, he was right to think it would eventually.  But after talking this over with him... his thoughts: the temperature of the drink doesn't waive the parental responsibilities.  I believe his exact words were, "if you buy something with the word "HOT" in its name, you may want to drink it somplace that isn't moving and preferably not hand it to a kid."  I know these are points already made.

Also, as an aside, be nice to your Starbuck's Baristas.  They control whether or not you are actually getting caffeine.

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