I am spooling out my imagination to try and see how a vigilante 'shame on you, bad driver' system would shake out and a few things pop up.
My first thought is that the signal to noise characteristics might make it useless as a tool which could in any way be used to 'correct' bad drivers. I immediately think of the 'nosey neighbor/busybody<-->malevolent axegrinder/griefer' personality types who would flood such a system with tattle-tale reports aimed at every minor driving slight they saw in the world around them because it made them hatefully happy to stick it to those who 'deserve it' in a world where 'everyone's an asshole except me'. Then there's the straight up 'I just don't like that guy/she turned me down for a date/ he got the raise I wanted/ who the hell do they think they are being happy or successful when I'm not' sort of anonymous liars who would use this as a tool in their creepy stalky arsenal of mean-spirited svengali-hood. All of these possibilities combined with the fact that IMO most 'normal' folk get over their upset at chance encounters with bad attitudes out on the road so quickly that they would forget to report the vast majority of true offenders by the time they got to wherever they were driving make for a system that would see disproportionate representation for people who REALLY enjoy complaining and are motivated to do so.
To summarize: people ain't no good
IMO the inevitable next step in trying to make a vigilante system work is to try and control for some of the unpredictability of human observers (attenuate to get more signal and less noise). One way would be to allow only site registered users make reports, the account would be externally anonymous but the internal administrators would be able to sift user reporting/site use patterns for tell-tale indicators of 'griefer/crank/crazy/unreliable' data generators and quietly discard/ignore their input (these idiots poison the data, identify and extirpate).
Another way to make 'vigilante's' reliable would be to take the human judgment element out of the data gathering altogether - automate the observation process by having every registered vehicle on the road broadcasting a cellular transponder signal keyed to the registration for the vehicle, the transponder not only broadcasts but logs the IDs of vehicles in proximity to the vehicle in a telemetry log which can be read back - say 30 days worth of data are saved on board. This system could be quite sophisticated if you consider that in relatively dense traffic there would be at any given time several overlapping telemetry 'scan' fields operative and in the event of a complaint to the vigilante traffic safety board or a police post accident investigation - the relative velocities and position of all vehicles could be determined by parsing 2 or more logs and comparing readings (i.e.; telemetry captures ID signal strength at a fixed intervals which will correlate to proximity & speed) and reconstructed forensically with cool computer graphics.
Of course when your vehicle transponder logs and cool looking computer graphic reconstruction are used at your secret tribunal to have you disappear into Gitmo because you associate with the wrong people/read the wrong books/shop at the wrong stores/go to the wrong bars/drive too fast with the music too loud - this super reliable driver safety system might not seem like such a great idea.
YMMV
"...when theft and high crime becomes obscenely obvious to even the blindest beer sucking idiot, it is always the Republicans who are in office." -- Joe Bageant
In WA state there is (was?) a program where if you saw someone driving solo in the carpool lane, you dial 764-HERO and report him. What exactly was done with the reports remains a mystery - nothing, I think - what could they do - send cops to your house "Some guy called us yesterday and said you were stag in the carpool lane, so now were going to lock you up and throwaway the key."
But the callers who ratted out people violating the sanctity of the carpool lane can tell their children about their act of heroism.
For awhile there was a band named after this program. I don't know what happened to them, but that song of theirs was annoying. There should be a hotline to report annoying songs 764-THATTUNEIRKSME. Or annoying posts - 764-SHUTUPURKEL.
... the bird at other motorists to express my lack of appreciation for their driving skills. First of all, doing so would take my mind and eyes off the road ahead of me, and b). you never know what might be the spark that lights the fuse on powderkeg behind the wheel. Usually, if I'm being tailgated by somebody, I will do my level best to change lanes and avoid them. But, if I can't, I simply hope there will be an opening to the right or left allowing the tailgater to move on past me.
A lot of the trucking industry has trucks on the road with 800 numbers painted on the truck, just under a query about "how's my driving." I have only ever called one of those 800 numbers once after I (and about three others) had been cut off by a trucker who was obviously behind on schedule and not concerned about how many people he killed to get back on schedule. I took down the license plate number of the truck and called the 800 number. When I reported what had happened, I was informed that I should have taken down the rather smallish serial number painted under the 800 number. When I said I didn't know that was the number I was supposed to report to them I was told, "well, how the hell else are we supposed to do anything?"
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Sat Dec 02, 2006 at 10:23:35 AM EST
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I've noticed some of the truckers have since spray painted over the serial numbers on the signs. While some of them seem to be in the minority of truckers who drive like morons I am wondering if many of them did it because of unfounded, stupid and petty complaints by others, because most of those who have it spray painted off seem to be quite competent.
However, the moronic truck driver quotient I've noticed seems to be several standard deviations below that of regular car/SUV drivers who need to go back to driving school. The professionals tend to drive like, well, professionals.
Editor's Note: In my life I have only called those "How's my driving #" twice. Never for poor driving. Once because some idiot had created a severe malparkage (blocked a firezone, crosswalk AND an intersecting drive which was the only way in/out of an emergency vehicle parking area at a nursing home) and had left his/her truck like that for an extended period of time.
The second time was because somebody dared me to call the number and say everything was okay. After taking down the information the operator on the other end asked how their driving was and was obviously preparing for a torrent of invective. After I complimented the truck driver there was a verrrrrrrrry long pause. I am guessing nobody ever calls those numbers to praise people.
Spread it on!
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Sat Dec 02, 2006 at 10:35:23 AM EST
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... the bird at other motorists to express my lack of appreciation for their driving skills. First of all, doing so would take my mind and eyes off the road ahead of me, and b). you never know what might be the spark that lights the fuse on powderkeg behind the wheel. Usually, if I'm being tailgated by somebody, I will do my level best to change lanes and avoid them. But, if I can't, I simply hope there will be an opening to the right or left allowing the tailgater to move on past me.
I whole heartedly agree. I do not make obscene gesture at other drivers. I will, however, reserve the right to actively express my displeasure at extremely reckless maneuvers by others by making judicious use of the horn. This, of course, usually results in them taking one hand off of their SUV steering wheel (the other is tied up with the cell phone) and making said gesture back at me.
For some reason, the only thing in my car I have gestured obscenely at was these <profanity removed> protesters outside of a Women's Health Services clinic. I was stopped at a light and the wild animal/deranged look in one womans' eyes as she screamed and waved whatever religious literature she had in the face of a patient walking in was outrageous. What a disgusting person. I hope I made her feel better about herself, now that she got "persecuted" for her beliefs.
Spread it on!
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Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 10:48:28 PM EST
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I am unaware of this custom in any other driving cultures, but in Japan driver's use their hazard lights to express gratitude: i.e. if someone lets you into traffic, you give them a couple flashes of your hazards to say thanks. I have only ever seen truckers do this to each other on this continent.
I idealize too much. but if someone acknowledges me with a flash for my act of kindness, i am encouraged to repeat my kind behaviour. Perhaps what we need are less ways to punish bad driving and more ways to encourage good driving.
do such positive reinforcement gestures exist in our driving culture?
Just cause you feel so good, do you have
to drive me out of my head?
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 08:49:39 AM EST
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I haven't been behind the driver's wheel since I moved from North Dakota to Chicago, but back in a state where politeness was mandatory, a wave of the hand was the catch-all indication of driver gratitude.
I just spent a little time in DC, and I was surprised at how helpful many drivers were. I was completely unfamiliar with the area, and found myself getting stuck in blind lanes, and in every case, someone actually honked to alert me that they would let me cut in.
The roads, on the other hand, are miserable, from the condition of the asphalt, to the horrible, uninformative signage. I wonder how many of those "bad DC drivers" are actually out-of-towners trying to deal with a road system that seems like it was designed by a sadist.
I lived in LA for a while, and the drivers there are actively malicious. If you want to get into a lane, you'd damned well better not signal, because that's just a sign to close ranks.
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Re: Tangent: DC drivers not so bad
Fri Dec 01, 2006 at 09:17:37 PM EST
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I lived in LA for a while, and the drivers there are actively malicious. If you want to get into a lane, you'd damned well better not signal, because that's just a sign to close ranks.
Hyperbolate much? Anyway, yeah, we get it. You hate L.A. (yes, folks, there's some history here); you have a right to your anecdote; it's your opinion.
Some L.A. drivers suck; some are just run-of-the-mill; and others are exemplary. End of L.A. story.
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Sat Dec 02, 2006 at 06:41:17 PM EST
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Some...some...some...
The problem is, there are more in the suck column in LA than in most other towns I've driven in.
Bea Arthur let me pull in front of her in Beverly Hills, so there's one LA driver in the not suck column. But if it hadn't been such an extraordinary thing, I never would have even noticed that it was her. I got stuck between lanes on my motorcycle for what seemed like forever until someone stopped and let me cross to the shoulder...another in the not suck column, despite the hundreds who sped past me at 60 mph.
On the other hand, I got honked at for actually stopping at a stop sign, instead of rolling through, many times. LA is the only place I had that happen to me. I got honked at for allowing someone to pull in front of me. LA is the only place I've had that happen. I went for blocks and blocks, trying to get over to the right lane on a city street, but no one would let me over. LA is the only place I've had that happen. That really pissed me off, since I was trying to get into a gas station, and no one would let me into the lane to turn ito it.
So you love LA, Sue. That doesn't mean it isn't full of sucky drivers, it just means you think they are normal.
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Sat Dec 02, 2006 at 07:34:17 PM EST
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I don't "love" LA; I don't even live in the city anymore. I just think either you had some crappy luck there or you highly exaggerate for some unknown reason or agenda -- or a little of both.
I've come close to death from crazed drivers in several cities; I've seen incidents of extremely boorish driving behavior in several cities. But I never thought to extrapolate that into some broad indictment. And FWIW, I have many years' driving experience in LA, and not once did I ever get honked at for stopping at a stop sign, not once did I ever get honked at for letting someone in (but I always got a high-five from the lucky driver); and never did I have to go "blocks and blocks" before getting a break.
So you hate LA, Jimmy Havok. The passion that you have often expressed about the city leads me to think that you just might embellish to make your point. Or then again, maybe you're the sucky driver. :-)
P.S. Yay for UCLA!
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Electrifying
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P.S. Yay for UCLA!
Isn't that the home of the Fighting Tazers?
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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Re: Tangent: DC drivers not so bad
Mon Dec 25, 2006 at 05:03:53 AM EST
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Sue, you just called me a liar. Go have a big mug of STFU.
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"Oh, Go Ahead and Insult Us"
Sun Dec 03, 2006 at 11:58:56 AM EST
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Just for you, JH, one article from an amazingly well-constructed commemorative supplement on culture in today's LAT. A snippet from Wilentz's piece:
L.A.'s bad reputation has been oddly long-lived, but then, what would the world do without a place it could despise? In every century and culture, I would argue, there has been a place upon which opprobrium could be heaped, usually for cultural reasons, or out of jealousy and fear. This locus of loathing, I would argue further, will always be a place where the dominant culture has established its final triumphant outpost. (In the 1700s and 1800s, New York and Boston served this function for England and Europe; since the turn of the last century, Los Angeles has provided it for America, as well as the rest of the Western, and possibly Eastern, world.)
So you are in good company, JH. :-)