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There are two certain things in life, death and taxes and taxes.

pO157.

Posted to Etcetera on Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 03:30:04 PM EST. RSS.

Poland has inked a deal to end the double taxation of its citizens who have been residing in the UK since its entry into the European Union a few years ago.

Usually in these situations foreign countries agree to a tax treaty to prevent these type of snafus, which in this case has caused the estrangement of many Poles from their native lands to avoid paying double.

Many Poles live in the UK under difficult conditions to escape the 16% unemployment rate at home. Interestingly, this measure had support from UK union leaders and MPs in order to be more humane and welcoming to their transient residents. All this while insisting that the influx of immigrants (30% of whom are likely unregistered) does not place a burden on public services.

Tags: Poland, tax, taxes, tax treaty, economics, written by pO157 (all tags)

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Joblessness in Poland

nmiguy.

Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 01:43:57 PM EST

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I have first hand knowledge of the situation there.  My wife and kinds are in Poland right now, on vacation.  My brother in law is from Wraclaw, and his cousins just moved to Boston because they couldn't find a job in Poland, and they qualified for an extended visa to the US.  They intend on becoming citizens.  They got jobs here within a week of getting to the US and they are busy learning English.  Poland as a country is changing a lot.  The country was somewhat divided on whether to join the European Union.  At stake was the issue of jobs and currency.  To have high and double taxation seems to compound the difficulties in Poland.  

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Re: There are two certain things in life, death an

natophonic.

Sun Jul 23, 2006 at 10:20:50 PM EST

none

I'll agree that unregistered immigrants would tend to burden public services to a greater than registered ones (though if the effect in the UK is anything like that of 'illegals' in the US, the effect is exaggerated beyond rational discussion). But presumably if the Polish immigrants in question are paying taxes to one or both countries, they're registered. Further, eliminating a disincentive to return home if UK job prospects dry up, would obviously help reduce the burden on social services.

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My subq comment was a bit off...

snwodttam.

Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 06:35:30 AM EST

none

I was off in my comment about US taxes for expats in the subq.  My friend had told me about the law a couple years ago (I guess when it was going through the House and Senate), and I must have misunderstood what he was saying.  As it is, the US has raised taxes on expats making above the minimum exclusion allowed (82,400 US) and has cut the amount you can deduct as housing costs.  However, I think the vast majority of American expats (like myself) make below the allowed exclusion.  Sucks to be an executive in Hong Kong or Moscow, though.

On the Poland front, how did the double taxation affect brain drain in Poland?  I would assume it would do one of two things, either cut down on it or cause a lot of Polish expats to seek citizenship in their new countries.

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

wetkarma.

Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 07:50:10 AM EST

none

Yes and no. It depends on where you are an expat. If you are ina country where taxes are higher than in the US (eg. the UK), you don't pay anything back to the US.

Its only in countries where the tax burden is minimal (compared to the US) AND your salary is above 82k have taxes been raised.

Nevertheless raising taxes AT ALL on expats is bad tax policy.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

snwodttam.

Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 09:17:51 AM EST

none

Hey Wetkarma!  Glad you made it over to TnT.

Nevertheless raising taxes AT ALL on expats is bad tax policy.

Indeed.  I think they should get rid of all taxes for expats.  In fact, I think a better ideas is they should give money to expats.  I'm gonna write my congressman! :)

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

wetkarma.

Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 07:54:55 PM EST

none


Hey Wetkarma!  Glad you made it over to TnT.

Thank you. Although since I had a comment deleted this morning (I think), I'm not sure if I intend to stick around. ;)

As to the topic at hand:


Indeed.  I think they should get rid of all taxes for expats.  In fact, I think a better ideas is they should give money to expats.  I'm gonna write my congressman! :)

As an expat-to-be myself, I say go for it. Although the last time I wrote my congressman not only did my letter go unacknowledged, I got the distinct impression that he would be of no use to me on the issue in question (ironically an immigration related matter which is somewhat related to my censored comment).

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

koos.

Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 08:17:21 PM EST

none

Wetkarma::
I didn't agree with your missing post. In fact, I often don't agree with what you say (and I use the reply feature when that happens, and I have something to say about it). Be that as it may, I just wanted to let you know that I too, am not happy that posts go missing. My theory is that there's something going on with the way posts are modded/rated, and that you should stick around and help the site get better, not take your ball and go home.

Of course, I'm certainly not going to beg you to stay, but I do think it's better to have civil disagreement on a site like this than a whole bunch of people agreeing boisterously.

{ k }

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

nmiguy.

Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:10:25 PM EST

none

I lost some posts, and the reason was a silly mistake.  I had teh spell checker checked off and it made my post Preview only and not post.  When I uncheck the spell checker, it allowed me to post a comment.  Maybe this caused the missing posts?  

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

koos.

Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 12:32:43 PM EST

none

Maybe that's what happened to some of my replies(and that's something we should look at changing - make it glaringly obvious that a comment was not posted), but not this one (which is too bad, IMHO).

Just one of the things which I look forward to helping resolve in this brave new world of NDTs (non-dumptruck tubes),
{ k }

PS - I can't recommend the new Mozilla enough! It catches "teh" things without needing the TnT spell checker. That I don't have it at work is a source of great distress, and it's only a few days old!!!

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

nmiguy.

Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 08:39:12 AM EST

none

I triied to post a reply to someone's comment and it was not posted because the subject line was too long.  It added RE: before the previous poster's subject making it too long.   I changed the subject and replied and it filed fine.  I have only been visiting a few days but I already see a few areas where there are glitches.  

As far as the "teh" thing, I am the world's biggest culprit of that.  Nine times out of ten I misspell "the."

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

wetkarma.

Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 08:38:17 PM EST

none

Erk, and now I'm a tad embarassed. The idea that I would quit and take my ball (FIFA approved dontcha know) home was meant to be more snark than real bemoaning. Somehow ;) doesn't quite convey the subtlety I intended.

In any event I appreciate the sentiment behind your comment and fully agree with the merits of civil disagreement.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

koos.

Tue Jul 25, 2006 at 09:30:41 PM EST

none

Somehow ;) doesn't quite convey the subtlety I intended.
See "The Sarcasm Tag", which is in the subqueue as I type this.

And looking at the links from the subqueue I have determined I will from now on use "~" prior to my sarcastic/ironic statements, as Demosthenes of Plastic once suggested.

~Peace out,
{ k }

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

snwodttam.

Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 09:40:31 PM EST

none

Yeah, definitely stick around for a bit.  From what I understand, posts aren't deleted unless they're obvious trolls (like the user-stalker crap we had at plastic).  It must have been something to do with the modding...this site is still a work in progress. :)

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Re: My subq comment was a bit off...

port1080.

Mon Jul 24, 2006 at 10:12:23 PM EST

none

Posts aren't supposed to be able to be deleted, but there have been some issues with the software that are being worked on; it certainly isn't a permanent thing. The administration isn't deleting any posts - if yours disappeared, it's due to the bugs. Please stick around - we want all the voices from the old Plastic here.

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