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Senate Sets Sights On Signing Statements.

MayorBob.

Posted to Politics on Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 08:34:49 AM EST. RSS.

President George Bush and the term "signing statement" are inextricably linked by now. In what has become a customary part of the signing of pieces of controversial legislation, Bush has taken the time to make mention of what portion of the bill he's signing that he doesn't believe should be enforced.  They've caused much angst in Congressional hearings and have been disparaged by constitutional scholars.  This is a condition the American Bar Association (ABA) recently said threatens "to throw this country into a constitutional crisis" if allowed to continue.  It's become a situation deemed unpalatable even to members of his own political party.  To show his disgust with overuse of signing statements, US Senator Arlen Specter (R - Pennsylvania) says he's readying legislation which would allow Congress to sue the president in federal court.

President Bush has issued around 750 signing statements during his five years in office.  This compares with 140 similar statements by President Clinton during his eight year term and 232 during the four year term of President George Herbert Walker Bush.  A few examples of Bush's statements are provided here.  The situation got to a point where the ABA issued a report (pdf doc) harshly critical of Bush's continuing use of these statements to "subvert the will of Congress."  According to ABA president Michael Greco, Bush's use of a "non-veto hamstrings Congress because Congress cannot respond to a signing statement."  Greco also charged the statements do harm to the separation of powers.

The White House scoffed at the notion that signing statements do any real harm to the balance of power between the executive branch and Congress.  White House spokesman Tony Snow said while many of the statements may pose "questions about constitutionality" at no time does the president ever say "we're not going to enact the law."  According to one of Bush's chief allies in the Senate, Senator John Cornyn (R - Texas), the statements are merely "expressions of presidential opinion that carry no legal weight because federal courts are unlikely to consider them when deciding cases that challenge the same laws."  That notwithstanding, Specter announced he is readying a bill which will "authorize the Congress to undertake judicial review of those signing statements with the view to having the president's acts declared unconstitutional."      

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Thalia.

Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 07:09:35 PM EST

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I'm thoroughly confused by this bit of posturing.  Congress doesn't have any need to pass a law to enable them to challenge the constitutionality of signing statements.  They seemly need a case in controversy.  Oh, I don't know, maybe someone who was tortured after the McCain amendment was passed?  Someone who was affected by an agency not enforcing the law, because of the signing statement?  

Last I checked, you don't need a special law to challenge unconstitutional actions.  Just a case & the Constitution.

Thalia

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thefadd.

Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 07:43:35 PM EST

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Last I checked, you don't need a special law to challenge unconstitutional actions. Just a case & the Constitution.

You left something out: guts.

I think that also goes a long way to explaining why you've got another useless law instead of an actual challenge. Under 35% approval ratings and still no one willing to put their ass on the line to put this administration out of its own sad little political misery.

escalators never fail; they just become stairs

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NH4.

Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 11:32:21 PM EST

none

A review of the Federalist Papers and the writings of various Founders suggest that Congress was intended to be the strongest single branch of the American government, Thalia. Why, then, should Congress have to rely on the Judicial Branch to enforce its prerogatives?

GOP Senators may be full of it when they pretend to challenge Bush Jr, but a Democratic Congress could simply vote to stop funding any program (or war) they don't like, and they could vote to cut funding to the Executive Branch dramatically, and they could find 100 other ways to let the President know that he is no Roman dictator. They don't need a Supreme Court full of GOP partisans to rein in a President who thinks he can do anything, the Congress and courts be damned.  

 

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Thalia.

Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 04:47:15 AM EST

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If the proposal had been to give this power to CONGRESS itself, I wouldn't be making fun of Specter.  But no.  If you read the proposal, it simply gives the Congress the power to sue in Federal Court.  For which, as I noted, they need no such special law.  They just need a case in controversy.  And I expect those are easy to come by given the proliferation of signing statements & the Administration's behavior.

Thalia

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Another link

Coelacanth.

Thu Jul 27, 2006 at 07:35:18 AM EST

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Slate has an article on signing statements as well.  Including a humorous link (from the ABA report, actually) on how Bush negated a previous bill on signing statements with, of course, a signing statement.

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Nothing to see here, move along

humorlesscretin.

Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 04:44:36 PM EST

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It's Specter.  He's talked a good game several times now but accomplished a whole lot of nothing.  To quote Dear Leader: "fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."

Not to mention that it's fairly unlikely that this could get a veto-proof margin; this would be a fine bill for Bush's poor unloved veto stamp.  Or, irony of ironies, he could hack chunks out of it with a signing statement.

Humorless. Cretinous. What'd you expect?

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natophonic.

Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 03:24:46 PM EST

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In terms of constitutional legality, I'm sure the arguments in favor and against could stretch for several hundred thousand words. I'd guess the 'unconstitutional' side would win with a pre-Bush Supreme Court, especially since the line-item veto was struck down during Clinton's term.

In pragmatic sense, though, the examples cited in the writeup primarily concern legislation aimed at telling the executive branch how to run its departments and offices. Rather than waving select portions of a bill off with a "how about no?", I'd rather see Bush's proposal  for a line-item veto with legislative redo extended to cover these types of issues (from my read it's aimed at appropriations bills.

While I see the potential for line-item veto abuse, I'm not at all comfortable with an absolute Congressional power of "you'll do what you're told" to the executive branch, especially given the increasing tendency for repulsive amendments to find their way anonymously into bills the midnight before they're voted on by Congress. This year it's:

Dec. 30, 2005: US interrogators cannot torture prisoners or otherwise subject them to cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment.

Bush's signing statement: The president, as commander in chief, can waive the torture ban if he decides that harsh interrogation techniques will assist in preventing terrorist attacks.

but in 2009 it might be
The office of the President shall not inhibit the covert investigation of citizens deemed by the FBI or CIA to be unpatriotic and/or irrelgious.

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On Constitutionality

koos.

Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 04:19:08 PM EST

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First, from what I recall of Con Law, the line-item veto is unconstitutional in-and-of itself.

Second, while I, too, hate all the crap that gets thrown into legislation at the last minute these days, there are some far less drastic, far less questionably-Constitutional ways to get rid of them. For instance, we could choose to elect people who represent us, not their lobbyists. Or, we could spend a few minutes each day reading over some proposed bills and then contacting our representatives to let them know our thoughts on the issues. They do work for us, after all, and the idea that the line-item-veto is the only way to curb Congressional pork or other nonsense is (in my mind) patently ridiculous.

Third, Art I says Congress makes the laws, Art II says the President enforces the laws, Art III says the Courts interpret the laws. Art II does not grant the President the right to pick and choose which laws to enforce, just like it can't selectively enforce the laws against certain groups of people.* In fact, the President swears an oath to uphold the Constitution and ALL of the laws of this country. These signing statements are a violation of that oath.

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* Note, however, that the Executive branch does not (as a matter of pragmatism) have to enforce all laws at once, and can often choose the time, manner and method by which it will do so. But that, to me, is completely different than stating, while signing a bill, that you have NO INTENTION OF EVER following the law as written. It's yet another example of Bush holding himself and his office above the law.

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coquito.

Wed Jul 26, 2006 at 04:17:12 PM EST

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it's hard for me to know what to make of this. on the one hand, it bothers me to think that the prez is taking it into his own hands to decide what is or isn't constitutional when that is, as i understand it, the job of the judiciary. on top of that, he's being underhanded about it and setting policy according to his whims, without having to face direct opposition from either of the other two branches of gov't. on the other hand, it sounds like natophonic has some good points in his posts.

i can say that this feels like further evidence of a trend (or maybe it's just always been there) away from governing by concensus. if nothing else, this is a power-grab by the prez and, if he sets precendent with this, all that will result is less cooperation between the branches, more infighting, and, at least in my opinion, less will get accomplished. whether or not this adheres to the letter of the consitution, i can't see how it adheres to the intent of it.

Now with caps!

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