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My Very Excellent Mail Carrier Just Served Us Nine Pina Coladas. Ugh!

3fingerspointback.

Posted to SciTech on Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 03:53:26 PM EST. RSS.

Two years ago, the International Astronomical Union met to debate whether "small" objects in the solar system such as Pluto should be counted as planets.  On August 16, they released a draft definition of a "planet" that not only counts Pluto, but raises the number of planets in our Solar System to at least twelve.

The definition, hammered out over two years of arguments and compromises, is

A planet is a celestial body that (a) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (b) is in orbit around a star, and is neither a star nor a satellite of a planet.

So that rules out small asteroids, comets, Nemesis, the Halo, and all the big round objects orbiting the gas giants.  But it admits three new objects as planets:

  1. The 922km-diameter object Ceres, the largest object in the asteroid belt.  This would be a promotion of Ceres back to the status of planet, which it lost in the mid-19th century, a few decades after its discovery.

  2. Charon, currently considered a moon of Pluto.  Because the objects rotate around a common point in space that does not reside beneath the surface of Pluto, it is not considered a moon.

  3. Kuiper belt object 2003 UB313, nicknamed "Xena".

In addition to defining the word "planet", the IAU also came up with the word "pluton" to describe any object that took more than 200 years to complete an orbit around the sun (i.e. it resides beyond the orbit of Neptune most of the time).

The response from the general astronomy community has been mixed, with many astronomers set against the idea.  None of the plutons have an orbit in the same general plane as the Big Eight.  In fact, 2003 UB313's orbit takes it between 38AU and 97AU of the sun, and is skewed 44 degrees from the general plane.  Also, there is little reason to stop at 12 planets when there are dozens more objects waiting in the wings to join the growing family.  Mike Brown, who was part of the team who discovered 2003 UB313, has counted 53 objects that may fit the proposed definition.

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8 planets, 5 planetoids, and 3 plutons

3fingerspointback.

Sun Aug 20, 2006 at 11:14:21 PM EST

4.50 (astute, informative)

I came into this story thinking that Pluto, Ceres and UB313 should count as planets, but the process of writing it up has changed my mind.

The IAU wants to define what a "planet" is not only to settle this flame war among astronomers, but also to help define what a planet is now that we are looking for the things in other star systems.  In this sense, I believe it makes the most sense to consider a planet as something that evolved out of an accretion disk.  That means that the plane of a planet's orbit should adhere closely to the rest of the system.  Pluto, Charon and Xena all have orbits that strongly suggest they did not come out of accretion, and should be classified differently.

I also don't think it's correct to call Ceres a planet, because it's more like a very large member of the Main Belt of asteroids.  There are 4 other objects in the main belt with masses greater than 10^18kg, so call them 5 planetoids.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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The Circle Is Drawn -- And It Has A Tinfoil Hat On

MayorBob.

Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 07:45:55 PM EST

3.00 (offtopic)

Now that there will be 12 planets, the awful truth can finally be told.  There's one Australian who knows the truth is out there somewhere.  And if he can find 144,000 people willing to send him $4 apiece, humanity might be saved before 12/12/12.  Lord I want that "high frequency storage device."  Many would call it a paperclip, we know it to be the shield protecting us from the dark forces of Mobus!

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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In Other Space News.

MayorBob.

Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 08:07:51 PM EST

3.00 (funny)

I ran across this fascinating article.  It seems one of the Voyager spacecraft is now over 100 AU from the sun.  That's 9.3 billion miles in a little under 30 years.  Not bad for a government project.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: In Other Space News.

TETA.

Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 10:16:37 PM EST

none

But if it had been privatized it'd be to Alpha Centauri by now!

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Re: My Very Excellent Mail Carrier Just Served Us

stevetherobot.

Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 08:59:00 AM EST

3.00 (interesting)

Speaking of those disks with nine concentric circles on them.  It is very likely that aliens would have a very different concept of planets than we do.  They might consider only hard, rocky bodies to be planets and have another concept for gas giants.  Or maybe their analog to planets would only include those with life on them.  Or those with an atmosphere.  It was very egocentric of us to send out those disks with nine planets.

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Feelin' stupid

Lou.

Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 04:35:59 PM EST

none

Can someone explain the hed to me?

Thanks in advance.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: Feelin' stupid

koos.

Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 04:54:01 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

My take on it was:
My - Mercury
Very - Venus
Excellent - Earth
Mail - Mars
Carrier - !?!?
Just - Jupiter
Served - Saturn
Us - Uranus
Nine - Neptune
Pina - Pluto
Coladas. - Ceres
Ugh! - ?!?!?

Hopefully someone will fill in the blanks or tell me where I'm wrong.

{ k }

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Re: Feelin' stupid

TETA.

Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 05:35:23 PM EST

4.00 (astute)

Carrier would be Ceres and Coladas would be Charon.

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Re: Feelin' stupid

TETA.

Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 05:44:28 PM EST

5.00 (brilliant)

I thought of this just after I posted, but using "Pina" and "Colada" is pretty cool because they way the two words go together reflects the double planet nature of the Pluto-Charon system.

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Re: Feelin' stupid

gparizot.

Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 05:46:40 PM EST

4.00 (funny, brilliant)

I had a take on the more traditional when I first saw the news:

My very excellent mother certainly just served us nine pizzas charismatically -

And I kinda didn't know what to do with the last one since it wasn't really named yet. I figured with both Ceres and Charon starting with a "C", my nmemonic at least gives you a clue to their order.  I guess you could add "And xenophobically", if the name "Xena" sticks (unlikely, though).

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Petronius.

Sat Aug 19, 2006 at 04:01:47 PM EST

none

The Ugh in the phase refers to UB313, the current official designation for the trans-Plutonion pluton nicknamed Xena. We are beginning to find a lot of stuff out in the Kuiper Belt at the edge of solar system, so there may be more plutons to come.

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3fingerspointback.

Fri Aug 18, 2006 at 05:43:18 PM EST

none

My Very Excellent Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas.  That's the mnemonic I was taught to remember the order of planets from the sun out.  The mnemonic for 12 would need a C between M and J, and an additional C and U at the end.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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Re: My Very Excellent Mail Carrier Just Served Us

Linux Ate My Dog.

Sat Aug 19, 2006 at 02:37:01 PM EST

none

This will really screw up SCiFi movies about aliens leaving us messages by leaving pictures of nine concentric circles somewhere. And what about all those engraved plaques we sent into space? Now the alines won't be able to find us. They'll drive right past the solar system going "No, that one has 12, and we are looking for one with 9..."

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rumata.

Tue Aug 22, 2006 at 10:51:03 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

And what about all those engraved plaques we sent into space? Now the alines won't be able to find us. They'll drive right past the solar system going "No, that one has 12, and we are looking for one with 9..."

If you look at the plaque  they sent with the pioneers, you'll see that the relative size and orbit of the planets was hinted at (although badly botched for pluto).

So our alien overlords may still find us ;-)

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