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Flaming Out - Rock Star: Supernova Ends Its Run With An End To Its Name

1fastdog.

Posted to Music on Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 03:07:29 PM EST. RSS.

Take something that's part reality TV show, part talent contest, part pre-processed, manufactured buzz band, and part rock -n- roll trainwreck and you end up with Rock Star: Supernova.

Rock Star closed out its second season on CBS with Canadian singer Lukas Rossi winning the right to front a band that's without a name. Yep, the band is being forced to abandon the name Supernova, after a federal judge ordered that the band give up the name in a trademark infingement suit filed by a little-known punk trio who had already claimed the moniker of Supernova. While the judge ruled that the court order didn't apply to the TV show itself, it would apply directly to the band. This is a potential stumbling block in terms of future revenue streams for marketing both the band - including live shows and pre-recorded material - and its merchandising section, which would be heavily dependent upon the name recognition gleaned from a season of TV exposure. CBS apparently ignored warnings from one of the show's producers that they were treading on someone else's lawn:

Perhaps the strongest bit of evidence supporting that claim comes from Butch Walker, who the show's producers recruited to co-write and produce the inaugural offering from the other, still-singer-less Supernova. In a MySpace message dated May 11, provided as an exhibit within the filing, Walker wrote, "I can't believe those dudes chose your name. For the record, I tried to talk them out of it. I told them I had a CD by a band from back in the day called Supernova and they were retarded for [using the name]. They didn't listen. Good on ya for making a stink about it."

Given all of this, perhaps the real winner of the contest wasn't Lukas Rossi, but the other finalists who've benefitted from both the experience and the exposure, but aren't locked into a gig with identity problems, and even, some suggest, credibility problems:

Many fans have theorized that singers who weren't hired may be better off, given their enormous exposure on the show -- which airs in eight countries --and the questionable clout of Supernova.

The band's core members have been in prominent hard-rock groups: drummer Lee in Motley Crue, bassist Newsted in Metallica and guitarist Clarke in Guns 'N Roses. But as middle-aged headbangers with no repertoire apart from thin songs trotted out on Rock Star, Supernova isn't the plum prize of last year's Rock Star: INXS.

Whatever the final outcome of the band soon-to-be-known-as [???], one thing's for certain in regard to the TV series: Canada owns Rock Star.

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Not Just Google, Uncarved...

Admit The Woods.

Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 06:16:43 PM EST

5.00 (informative)

uncarved block made the excellent point in the subqueue about using Google, but an even quicker search of "Supernova" via the Artist/Group dropdown menu at the All Music Guide will instantly net you not one, not two, not three, but four Supernovas (a Californian rock band, a Chilean rock band, an unspecified rock band and an unspecified jazz band; three of the four being current, contemporary acts) along with a Classical string quartet unsuprisingly named the Supernova String Quartet. (Oddly enough, however, the Guide didn't feature the little known punk trio mentioned in 1fastdog's writeup: too little known even for the All Music Guide?) Anyway, the name Supernova must have been one of the dumbest, in terms of infringement potential, that anyone could have come up with -- they may as well have picked, I dunno, Sum 182 or Blink 41 or U3 or something. Actually, now that I think about it, they could probably have avoided the suit altogether by spelling the damn thing wrong (Supanova or that Seinfeld tribute band Soup-a-NO!-va). You know, I'm not exactly a genius, but I once wrote a short story about a metal band I wanted to call Razorwire. I recall thinking "wow, I'm surprised there's no band with that name... um, that I know of." A quick check with AMG and I knew at once I had to change it, on the vanishingly small chance the thing would be published.

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Google = Xerox = Coke =

uncarved block.

Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 08:34:34 PM EST

4.00

    Yeah, I figured there was a better source than the big G, but it's just such a good shorthand for, "less than two minutes on a computer." I use it pretty much in that sense at work all the time-- when you do used books, you realize just how many old encyclopedia sets there are in the world. Telling customers, "They became obsolete with the word Google" usually helps them understand why I'm not taking their 1975 Americana edition . . .
   What really struck me was the time factor, not necessarily the choice of names-- though that was not very bright. Really, how much time did the shows organizers spend screening, interviewing, networking with the agents of the better known musicians . . you get the point. To jeopardize hours and hours of work, especially for the part of the project that's going to get all the attention and marketing; dumb, just fucking dumb. So dumb it would have been rejected from the Spinal Tap script for being too unbelievable. (OK, maybe not.)
   The other thing that struck my fancy was just how hard it must be to actually find a good name for a band these days, and how much harder it's going to be ten years from now. The 70s alone likely took the majority of the The ___  names: The Slits, The Police, The Fags, The Eagles, etc. Add in other simple names like Television, Talking Heads, Steely Dan*, Blondie (Hitler's dog!), Black Flag, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest and Black Sabbath, and on and on. Hearing a band name like Under The Influence Of Giants made me realize, after my initial reaction, "gee, that's kind of dumb", that the chances of pulling anything better out of my head was pretty slim. Not that it let's these bozos off the hook, though :)
   *I haven't read them, but the novels of William Burroughs may be fertile territory for aspiring bands. When Fagen and Becker chose that name, they were afraid that it was passe, though anything they say should be taken with a fair pinch of salt. Thirty-plus years later, though, and it's still a damn sly band name.

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Google = Xerox = Coke =

JimmyHavok.

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 12:13:16 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

The other thing that struck my fancy was just how hard it must be to actually find a good name for a band these days, and how much harder it's going to be ten years from now.

I make up band names all the time.  Watch this: Passing Strange.  That's the first thing that popped into my head as a good band name.  AllMusic shows "The Passing Strange," which is not nearly as good because "the" removes a lot of the ambiguity, and there is a rock musical by the name.

Try again: O So Gay.  Nope, no one's got it!  Perfect for an emo band.  Be my guest.

Until someone formed a perfect band for it, no one thought The Pixies was a perfect name for a band, the same with U2.

The number of perfect band names is near infinite.  In ten years, there will be ten years worth of additional culture to draw on.

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Band or album?

gerrymander.

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 10:49:58 AM EST

none

One of my more favorite conversational games is "band or album?" Just take a select sampling of something just said and repeat it, appending the question above.

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Re: Google = Xerox = Coke =

Ozyman.

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 11:49:15 AM EST

none

My friends and I used to play that 'think of a band name' in H.S.  My favorite of the ones I came up with was always 'Steaming Feces'.  I think it would make a great name for a punk band.  Always makes me think of walking the dog in the winter.

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Re: Google = Xerox = Coke =

Admit The Woods.

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 01:13:11 PM EST

none

Yeah, it's weird: you'd think they'd all be taken, but it's not so. A band with a fairly big (okay, underground) buzz right now is Hello Stranger. I mean, how is it nobody came up with that one before? Then again, whoever came up with these band names must have been determined to remain original to the last (in name, at least).

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joshv.

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 10:22:03 PM EST

none

Flesh Helmut

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natophonic.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 02:22:09 PM EST

none

öttö parts (pantera tribute band)

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Band Names

keta.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 03:42:03 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

When it comes to choosing a band name, one can worse than opting for a moniker based on Bonzo Dog Band song titles.  They're represented by at least one music source, Trouser Press, and by a popular band in the northwest of America, Death Cab For Cutie.

My personal favourite would be, Look at Me, I'm Wonderful, because if I was in a band you would, and I am.

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Re: Flaming Out - Rock Star: Supernova Ends Its Ru

rombuu.

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 01:16:16 PM EST

5.00 (funny, brilliant)

Easy solution:

SuperNova U.K.

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Supernova are great!

Smash Hit Tom.

Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 10:16:54 AM EST

4.50 (informative, informative)

The real Supernova, that is. They claim to be from space and sing absurdly stupid punk rock songs about taking your vitamins, Chewbacca, and other childish fixations. They have a nifty van, silvery space suits, and have sported hair shaved into star shapes. And they've been around for at least 12 years, near as I can reckon. I first saw them in '95 in Providence, anyway, and have caught them 4-5 times since. Anyway, they are, IMO, inevitably a gazillion times more fun than whatever Tommy Lee's show could manage to vomit up. If you're nearby and like mindless fun punk sans hipster attitude (and actually featuring some pretty damn tight chops, too boot), check 'em out.

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Last Year's "Rock Star"

Admit The Woods.

Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 06:23:04 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

Supernova isn't the plum prize of last year's Rock Star: INXS.

Hey, I had another idea: why not call themselves In Excess? Um, Rapid Eye Movement? Ecstasy? I'll get my coat...

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nmiguy.

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 11:28:19 AM EST

4.00 (informative)

I watched many of the episodes of Rock Star Supernova.  I grew to appreciate many of the talented performers.  

I don't much care for the name Supernova, and I don't think it truly fits the band itself.  

My reflections:
Gilby Clarke just isn't that good to be a "Superstar".  His claim to fame was as a latecomer to Guns n Roses, where he backed up Slash, the real talent of that band.  He's not a number 1 guitarist, he is a number 2 guitarist.  
Jason Newsted is a fantastic talent.  Anyone who has ever seen him in Metallica can attest that he is a professional who bleeds heavy music.  
Tommy Lee is a competent drummer, but more importantly he is a celebrity star.  

Lukas Rossi - Don't get me wrong, I think he is a talent.  I do NOT think he was the best singer or personality inthe competition.  His voice is limited, his range is limited, but what he does have is a pretty original and memorable style, which is why ultimately he beat out Dilana, Toby and Magni.  he was different and memorable.  The band was NOT looking for the best singer, but for someone with a style that could define them, because Gilby Clarke can't be that defining guitarist.

The songs that supernova played just didn't sound very good, polished or memorable, but that is likely to change when the band has more time together.

In all honesty, the house band kicked ass every night and was WAY better than Supernova.  

The show was entertaining, with Dilana's meltdown, and Storm Large's topless dive in the pool, and there was some kick ass performances.  (My favorite performances were Patrice Pike singing Radiohead's "Iron Lung", Ryan doing REM's "Losing My Religion" and Magni doing "Back in the USSR".)

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a few thoughts

1fastdog.

Thu Sep 21, 2006 at 03:43:24 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Your definitions of the band's talent is spot-on; Newsted's the only real talent there and one has to wonder how the fuck he got snookered into this deal. Perhaps his stint in Voivod just wasn't paying the bills.
I caught several episodes early on and then missed the middle shows, only to tune back in and catch the last couple at the end. I dislike most of these musical/singing talent type shows, as they're generally so contrived and obviously manipulated that it makes me want to run from the room screaming. Why it is that I can watch this show - which falls prey to much of those situational annoyances previously listed - and not others of their ilk (hello American Idol, you big, stinking piece o' crap!) is beyond my ability to grasp. I think the real draw  for me is to see which songs the artists are going to cover, and how well they do at interpreting them.
Judging strictly by their performances on the covers, I'd have to give Dilana the biggest props. She did well at making alot of those covers sound like they were her songs all along. I thought Magni also did well with the covers. While he didn't really reinterpret or inject much of his inner self into the songs, he did do 'em with a ton of energy and enthusiasm.
These two were the only ones that I was impressed with. Lukas can't sing worth a damn, frankly, and I suspect that he was chosen more for his apparent good buddy relationship with Tommy Lee and for his youthful appearance, rather than talent.
I though that Magni would've made the best choice, as he's got lotsa energy and that middle-of-the-road stadium rock voice of his is almost perfectly suited to mid-tempo arena power-rock, much like Dave Grohl or that asshole from Nickelback. Plus, he's a pretty good guitarist, though that seemed to work against him in the end. Go figure.
I suspect that despite whatever moniker the band comes up with, they're gonna be a poor draw on the concert circuit after a few months when the novelty factor wears off. Dilana has a shot at some staying power if she can do an album that suits her voice - something bloozy/rawky in the vein of the Black Crows...

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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nmiguy.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 10:25:02 AM EST

none

Well I wouldn't be so harsh on Lukas Rossi.  I think he can sing a bit.  He is not great, but he is identifiable.  If you look at Axl Rose of GNR and Vince Neil of Motley Crue or James Hetfield of Metallica, they have distinct and different voices.  Vince Neil is not a great singer at all, and Axl, well he is raw sounding, but has tremendous range.  The main thing is that these singers do not sound like someone else.  THAT is what Supernova wanted, I think.  Someone who doesn't sound like NickelBack or Pearl Jam or Nirvana.  There was a time where a lot of bands singers sounded like other band's singers.  They didn't want that.  

And Lukas did have a look and a personality that wouldn't go against what Supernova wanted to be.  

I think Dilana blew it with her melt down.  But Dave Navarro wanting to perform on her album and with her on tour was a huge plus for her.  She comes out the real winner here.  She gets to play with the house band.  

What I did like about this audition show is that unlike American Idol, it was not exploitative of crap talent.  Everyone that made it to the show had some talent to begin with.  American Idol has episodes of people making fools of themselves.  And the spectacle is Paula Abdul and Simon Crowell, that train wreck.  

(BTW, anybody here curious to hear the REAL version of Storm Large's "Ladylike"?  She did a LOT of self editing for TV, I suspect.")

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natophonic.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 02:12:36 PM EST

none

Jason Newsted is a fantastic talent.  Anyone who has ever seen him in Metallica can attest that he is a professional who bleeds heavy music.

The guy can play, no doubt about it, but listening to him critique the performances, it's clear he's also a fantastically pompous dweeb. My wife nailed it: he's like the high school choir director who says "we HAVE to make it to regional finals, and you guys [shakes fingerless-gloved fist in air] just AREN'T TRYING HARD ENOUGH!!" Tommy and Gilby seem like they'd be fun to hang with (Rossi will probably be a diva, but that's required of pop rockstar singers anyway), but if I had to spend a month on a tour bus with Newsted, I think I might commit my first homocide.

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secretpath.

Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 02:54:23 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Ooh. "My First Homicide" - now there's a band name!

Everything that needs to be said has already been said, but since no one was listening, we must begin again. -Andre Gide

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The lawsuit is resolved. The band's new name is...

1fastdog.

Sat Sep 23, 2006 at 10:32:19 AM EST

none

Rock Star Supernova.
Seriously. Lame-o-rama-lama-ding-dong!

Under the agreement, announced Thursday, the punk band will keep its original name and the TV band will be known as "Rock Star Supernova."

I guess it was hoping for too much to think that this semi-idiots collective could come with something original...

Somewhere in my soul, there's always Rock -n- Roll... Joe Strummer

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