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Our Advertising, Not Our Prices, Is Insane!

MayorBob.

Posted to Media on Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 04:34:49 PM EST. RSS.

The now defunct New York area electonics superstore Crazy Eddie used to feature a spokesperson whose tagline was "our prices are insane!"  Although much beloved by listeners at the time, the advertising caught criticism from groups who believed mental illness was no laughing matter.  One would think that it would be a long time before someone came up with an ad campaign as automatically tasteless as Crazy Eddie.  But that time has come and allow me to introduce you to a surefire nominee for inclusion at any future advertising Hall of Shame -- Dennis Mitsubishi of Columbus, Ohio and it's dead on arrival "Jihad on the US automotive market" campaign.

Certainly, Dennis isn't the first business to use themes from the war on terror as marketing tools.  Offering discounts and specials to service personnel and their families and copious use of the American flag are almost a given these days.  However, Dennis planned on coming at the issue in a different direction - they thought they'd take a lighthearted approach from the terrorists' perspective.  Announcing the sales staff would be "wearing burqas all weekend" and offering cars roomy enough to "comfortably seat up to 12 jihadists in the back" they openly proclaimed "fatwa Friday" as a sales event.  Hell, they were even thinking of offering rubber swords to all the kiddies.  From the get go, even if Dennis didn't have misgivings their ad campaign met initial resistance from some of the media outlets they planned to use.  One radio station manager said it would not run the ad:

"With no disrespect to their creativity or their desire to build business, everything we're about is promoting the values of diversity. To air things of that sort would go against our mission statement."
One thing led to another and, station by station, the rejections grew.  Then the local chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) weighed in with its evaluation of the ad - "mocking and disrespectful" - and Dennis knew it had to do something.  That something was to regretfully pull its ads before they even got aired.  Dealership president Keith Dennis said the ad was "an attempt at humor that fell short" and apologized to anyone offended by the ad they never heard.  Yet, when the controversy first erupted, the general manager of the chain of which Dennis Mitsubishi is a part said the ad was definitely going to run and rationalized the campaign thusly:
According to the people who have heard it, it is the most controversial commercial they've heard in the last 15 years.  This is one where we feel we're taking a bull's-eye on terrorists. After all the nonsense that the terrorists put the public through, they're fair game."
It would seem this car dealer in Ohio hadn't been reading the news or watching the TV to see how even more respected people than car dealers have met with the wrath of Islamic outrage.  Of course, not everyone is in favor of squashing the ads.  Now there are ads that are offputting, strange, or feature grating spokespersons who convince you to never, ever buy what they're shilling.  But, have you heard a dumber idea than trying to sell cars in the US these days by mentioning how many jihadists will fit comfortably inside?  Do any of the ones mentioned here hold a candle?  Or do you have your own example of a dumb, bad idea which should have stayed in some creative type's head?

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Re: Our Advertising, Not Our Prices, Is Insane!

dzetetes.

Thu Oct 05, 2006 at 05:27:01 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

This illustrates one of the good things about America.  If an ad aired in Saudi Arabia caricaturing and mocking, say, Jewish people to sell cars. I doubt there would be any public outcry from within the country about it.  If you aired an ad that made light of Muhammad (although I don't know why you'd do that since it'd be bad business anyway), on the other hand, you could end up being thrown in prison and flogged.

Here, Keith Dennis can make as many ads about jihadis as he likes.  The media doesn't have to air them.  If you're offended by the idea of the ads, you can write a letter to the editor of your local paper, or write Mr. Dennis himself and tell him you'll never buy a car from him.  If you feel it's all being blown out of proportion, and you're in the market for a new car, you can buy one from Dennis Mitsubishi.

One could argue that the ads are hostile to Islam, but many public figures have been insisting for 5 years that Islam is a religion of peace, and that terrorists are not true Muslims.  It would be one thing if the dealership had a dunk tank where you could try to dunk a bearded guy with a "Muhammad" nametag who screamed "Ya Allah!" every time someone manage to hit the lever, and demonstrated the grab on the Mitsubishi SUV's tires by running over stacks of Qurans.  These ads seemed to be making lighthearted fun of terrorists and, frankly, anyone who believes that God is pleased with him for murdering innocent people deserves to be ridiculed.  

In regione caecorum, rex est luscus.

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Re: Our Advertising, Not Our Prices, Is Insane!

port1080.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:01:50 AM EST

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One could argue that the ads are hostile to Islam, but many public figures have been insisting for 5 years that Islam is a religion of peace, and that terrorists are not true Muslims. It would be one thing if the dealership had a dunk tank where you could try to dunk a bearded guy with a "Muhammad" nametag who screamed "Ya Allah!" every time someone manage to hit the lever, and demonstrated the grab on the Mitsubishi SUV's tires by running over stacks of Qurans. These ads seemed to be making lighthearted fun of terrorists and, frankly, anyone who believes that God is pleased with him for murdering innocent people deserves to be ridiculed.

The problem is that they are both making fun of terrorists and conflating terrorism with mainstream Islam. Muslims are understandably touchy about anything that combines their religion and terrorism. Imagine if this campaign was about "Keeping down high car prices like the Jews keep down the Palestinians". Would you accept my defense that "These ads seemed to be making lighthearted fun of religious based states that oppress people and, frankly, anyone who believes that God is pleased with him for oppressing innocent people deserves to be ridiculed" - or would you see it as an attack on the Jewish faith? It doesn't really matter what the intention of Dennis Mitsubishi was - the fact is, the ads are insensitive and potentially offensive to almost all Muslims. Considering that, why on earth would you run them? This ad campaign was a bad call, no matter how you look at it.

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Re: Our Advertising, Not Our Prices, Is Insane!

dzetetes.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 01:58:16 PM EST

4.00 (brilliant)

The problem is that they are both making fun of terrorists and conflating terrorism with mainstream Islam.

How so?  I can understand how people who see the ads might conflate terrorism with Islam (which they already do anyway) because of the general political and cultural millieu in which we live.  I didn't see any such conflation in the ads themselves, however.  Could you enlighten me?

Imagine if this campaign was about "Keeping down high car prices like the Jews keep down the Palestinians". Would you accept my defense that "These ads seemed to be making lighthearted fun of religious based states that oppress people and, frankly, anyone who believes that God is pleased with him for oppressing innocent people deserves to be ridiculed"

I would not accept that defense for a number of reasons:

  1.  In your example, you reference "the Jews".  The Dennis ads don't reference "the Muslims."  They refer to jihadists, or terrorists, who are a subset of Muslims.  In the same vein, the people who have supported Israel's policies toward the Palestinians are a subset both of Jews and Israelis; Israel's policies do not enjoy universal support within Israel, of course.  "Keeping down high car prices like the IDF keeps down the Palestinians" would be a better equivalent.

  2. Israel is not a religious based state, it is an ethnic based state.  That might seem like a nitpick, but there's a crucial difference between the concept of "Muslim" and the concept of "Jew".  While "Jew" can be a religious, ethnic, or (to some) racial designation, "Muslim" cannot be used in the same way, although it often is popularly.  The distinction is important because while I believe in religious tolerance and in a pluralistic society, I feel that religious beliefs (or a-religious beliefs) are valid objects for vigorous discussion and debate (even ridicule) in the public sphere.  Religious beliefs are chosen, but one's ethnicity is not.  Please understand that I'm speaking in terms of what I personally would find offensive, or distasteful public discourse.  Of course, it's perfectly legal to rag on Jews or Arab (as long as you're not trying to tell people to go out and commit hate crimes), but I personally would be much more offended by racial or ethnic content in these ads.  

  3. Although the belief among some in Israel that Middle Eastern real estate should be parceled out according to Scripture is religious in nature and is one of the reasons for Israel's policies (along with other political and economic motivations), I'm not at all sure that it's a prevalent belief among pro-occupation Israelis (or "the Jews" in general) that God is pleased with the murder of Palestinians.  It is a prevalent, and probably universal, belief among jihadists that the murder of whichever infidels they choose to kill is pleasing to God.

  4.  I think the explicit mention of violence in your example also makes a difference.  The Jews keeping down the Palestinians is the equivalent of "we're going to fly a 747 into the U.S. automotive market and collapse it," not "we're going to declare jihad on the U.S. automotive market."

  5.  Speaking of that quote, if I'd heard it on the radio, I'd have been more optimistic for the near future of the U.S, until I heard the reaction to the ads, anyway.  "Declaring jihad on the U.S. automotive market" is funny because it's so incongruous.  It decontextualizes jihad, takes it from the realm of the fearful unknown and allows us to laugh at it.  We're in the middle of what may be the most ridiculous war in the history of the U.S.  Declaring a war on terrorism is bad enough.  At least when we declared war on fascism, we did so in the form of war on the conventional nation-states that were that ideology's primary practitioners (with the Soviet exception).  But now we're in a war against a varied set of ideas and tactics that exist independently of geography, race, religion, or even ideology.  Worse yet, some people style our current conflict as the war on terror.  If it's futile to declare war on a set of tactics, how much more so to declare it on an emotion?  The idea reduces us to frightened children laying in our rooms at night, terrified of the dark during a power outage.  Is the dark a problem?  Probably.  Is it frightening?  It can be.  But when we can share our fear with other people, take it out of context, make it seem less frightening, even laugh at it, it becomes manageable.  We can hold a match in a steady hand to light our way instead of dropping it on the floor in our frantic fear and setting the house ablaze.  I would have hoped that this ad would be a step in the right direction.  

In regione caecorum, rex est luscus.

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Re: Our Advertising, Not Our Prices, Is Insane!

port1080.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 03:58:20 PM EST

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How so? I can understand how people who see the ads might conflate terrorism with Islam (which they already do anyway) because of the general political and cultural millieu in which we live. I didn't see any such conflation in the ads themselves, however. Could you enlighten me?

In Islam, jihad has a number of meanings that don't just refer to terrorism. Using the term in a car ad would be like using Christian images of Christ's crucifixion to sell nail guns.

They refer to jihadists, or terrorists, who are a subset of Muslims. In the same vein, the people who have supported Israel's policies toward the Palestinians are a subset both of Jews and Israelis; Israel's policies do not enjoy universal support within Israel, of course. "Keeping down high car prices like the IDF keeps down the Palestinians" would be a better equivalent.

See above - in Islam, jihad has very different connotations than what is has to non-Muslims. I mean, even if we go by your example - don't you think Jews would be offended by your "Keeping down high car prices like the IDF keeps down the Palestinians" campaign? Especially if the IDF forces were depicted doing things that reinforced bad stereotypes about Jews?

Israel is not a religious based state

The Law of Return considers both religion and ethnicity. Granted, it's rare for people to convert to Judaism, so the ethnicity and the faith are essentially congruent, but that doesn't mean Israel is not a religious based state - particularly since Jews from different areas have different traditions.

It decontextualizes jihad, takes it from the realm of the fearful unknown and allows us to laugh at it.

Is that really the intent of this ad? Considering the context of where it was to be broadcast (the insular midwest), I view it as more of a case of "othering" Muslims and Islam - like racist World War II era advertisements that featured shifty eyed "Japs" or the Aunt Jemima tradition of using caricatured African-Americans. While I can see where you're coming from, I think you're giving the advertiser (and the intended audience) far too much credit.

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dzetetes.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 06:12:53 PM EST

4.00 (interesting)

In Islam, jihad has a number of meanings that don't just refer to terrorism. Using the term in a car ad would be like using Christian images of Christ's crucifixion to sell nail guns.

The analogy fails unless one of the meanings of jihad involves transportation (nail gun--car dealership) that Muslims consider sacred.

In addition, while I'm sure that jihad is important, I strongly suspect it doesn't hold a comparable position in Islam to Jesus in Christianity.  

I mean, even if we go by your example - don't you think Jews would be offended by your "Keeping down high car prices like the IDF keeps down the Palestinians" campaign? Especially if the IDF forces were depicted doing things that reinforced bad stereotypes about Jews?

Some Jews would be offended, and some wouldn't.  Just as the actions of the IDF don't reflect even on all Israelis, much less on all Jews, the actions of Muslim terrorists don't reflect on all Muslims for most people.  When you get right down to it, if someone's opinion of an entire group of people (Muslims, Jews, or whomever) is going to be seriously influenced by an advertisement for a car dealership, then there's something else at work.  

Either way, I really wouldn't care if some Jews got offended by such an ad.  The IDF's brutality in the Occupied Territories is well-documented, and the suffering and death caused by jihad (as Muslim extremists interpret it) is even better known.  Again, I wouldn't be stupid enough to run something like that if it were my car dealership, but this is America, and if you want to make stupid ads, you can make stupid ads.  Media outlets can accept or refuse them at their discretion, and people can complain, write letters, demonstrate, boycott, or buy cars from a dealership at their discretion as well.

The IDF, after all, is the IDF.  It would be another matter entirely if the ad went "This week and this week only, we're changing our name to Hebe-Mart!  Come on over and see if you can jew us down on the price of a new car!  Come see our roomy new SUV!  It seats 2 Jews in the front seat, 4 in the back, and 20 in the ashtray!"

Now that's offensive.  Not to mention insensitive, bigoted, stupid, in-poor-taste, and impolitic.  But it's probably protected speech.

The Law of Return considers both religion and ethnicity.

True, but as you point out:

it's rare for people to convert to Judaism,

however,

so the ethnicity and the faith are essentially congruent

is not true.  Almost half of Israeli Jews self-identify as either secular or anti-religious.  I don't think a facet of Israeli immigration law that is responsible for the inclusion of a miniscule number of religiously (but not ethnically) Jewish Israeli citizens makes Israel a religious state.  

Is that really the intent of this ad?

Of course not, but the intent of the ad wasn't to "other" Muslims, either.  The intent of the ad was to sell cars.  Both the "othering" of Muslims and the benefits I suggested in my last post would both have been possible side effects of Mr. Dennis's intent.

like racist World War II era advertisements that featured shifty eyed "Japs" or the Aunt Jemima tradition of using caricatured African-Americans.

Those WWII era ads differ from the dealership ad in three respects:

  1. The WWII ads were ethnic/racial caricatures.  The dealership ad is a caricature of a subset of a voluntary-membership group.

  2. Because they were racial/ethnic stereotypes, they reinforced beliefs about an entire group of people regardless of their individual differences.  In addition, the ads appeared against a backdrop of similarly racist government war propaganda, the internment of Japanese-Americans, and the severe and widespread curtailment of the civil liberties of perceived "enemy" groups.  If you've read my posts in other threads, you'll know that I am not at all happy with the current civil rights situation in the U.S, but I don't think it's nearly as bad now (for both citizens and non-citizens) as it was during WWII.  In addition, the government is publicly supportive of making the distinction between terrorists who happen to be Muslims and the (much vaster) Muslim population as a whole.  Believe it or not, that makes a difference.

  3. The ads you refer to were visual. They encouraged the visual identification of people with certain features as "the enemy" or (in the case of African-American caricatures) as stupid or brutish.  The dealership ads were only on the radio, I believe.  As a consequence, the jihadist is identified by what he does (that which makes him a jihadist) rather than what he looks like or even what he believes more generally.  If people listened to the radio ad and made the mental connection jihadist--->all Muslims or jihadist--->Arabs, then that's the fault of the news and other media; ironically, some of the same media that refused to carry the dealership's ads, but were happy to broadcast pro-war propaganda in the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.  

In regione caecorum, rex est luscus.

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Re: Our Advertising, Not Our Prices, Is Insane!

MayorBob.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 06:30:28 PM EST

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Jihad is important.  Some of the branches of Shia hold jihad to be as central to their faith as prayer and making the hajj.  So, when a car dealership tries to get some cheap chuckles out of using the imagery of terrorists loaded into their cars by referring to them as jihadists, it is insulting to Islam.

Jihad is not terrorism and it's not purely waging war against the infidel (although it can be used sometimes in the latter sense, it is never used for the former).  Jihad, as a term of faith, means "struggle" and it can be some sort of religious and moral struggle for your faith and belief in Islam or it can be used to describe fighting against those who oppose Islam.

Thus, besides being an insulting term and an attack upon a religion, it's also World Class stupid to try to sell cars by evoking images of wild-eyed terrorists armed to the gills with RPG's and AK-47s rolling off the lot down at Dennis Mitsubishi.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Our Advertising, Not Our Prices, Is Insane!

dzetetes.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 07:43:30 PM EST

none

Jihad is important.  Some of the branches of Shia hold jihad to be as central to their faith as prayer and making the hajj. So, when a car dealership tries to get some cheap chuckles out of using the imagery of terrorists loaded into their cars by referring to them as jihadists, it is insulting to Islam.

From the wikipedia article you quoted:

"Individuals involved in the political or military forms of jihad are often labeled with the neologism 'jihadist' or 'jihadi'."

The word is in much broader use than in Mitsubishi advertisements.  I've often heard it on news shows.  Is the objection that the term gives the idea that jihad is solely about war and fighting?  If so, "Islam", the apparently monolithic entity that is insulted by the word, has some letter-writing and PR work to do.  Or is the objection that the word is being used to sell cars?  

Jihad is not terrorism and it's not purely waging war against the infidel (although it can be used sometimes in the latter sense, it is never used for the former).  Jihad, as a term of faith, means "struggle" and it can be some sort of religious and moral struggle for your faith and belief in Islam or it can be used to describe fighting against those who oppose Islam.

Also from the wikipedia article:

"The term 'jihad' is often used to describe purely physical and military 'religious war', through physical struggle and use of weapons. Some Muslim scholars say that this only makes up part of the broader meaning of the concept of jihad."

Some Muslim scholars. Only part of the broader meaning of the concept of jihad.  That's hardly a univocal condemnation from within Islam of the concept of violence against infidels qua infidels.  And it's disingenuous to suggest that "terrorism" isn't a part of the "Islamic" concept of "jihad."  It may not be a majority view, but obviously some Muslims do believe that terrorism is valid religious expression.

Thus, besides being an insulting term and an attack upon a religion, it's also World Class stupid to try to sell cars by evoking images of wild-eyed terrorists armed to the gills with RPG's and AK-47s rolling off the lot down at Dennis Mitsubishi.

Wait, the ads didn't mention RPGs and AK-47s did they?  They just mentioned the term 'jihadist'.  And if that's all they did...well, you filled in the rest, didn't you?

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permazorch.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 07:32:18 PM EST

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would be like using Christian images of Christ's crucifixion to sell nail guns.

Frankly, this sounds awesome.

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What I don't understand.

Travis Bickle.

Sat Oct 07, 2006 at 02:11:16 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

Why didn't the dealer buy a bunch of used Ford Pintos?  They could have sold them as "the car nine out of ten suicide bombers prefer."

You talkin' to me?

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a religion of pissants

gerrymander.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 05:19:17 PM EST

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Compare/contrast the ad campaign in the write-up with the Smirnoff "Tea Par-Tay" campaign. The latter has all the trappings of equally offensive to the African-American community as the auto campaign: appropriated language and actions for the sake of profit, and mockery from a culture which has typically been antagonistic to urban blacks. No one can ever accuse Smirnoff of "keeping it real" in that ad; and yet, there hasn't been a word of complaint. So, what's the difference?

My guess? Assimilation. Despite the extremely high level of crap the black community has had to endure, its members want to be part of the nation. The civil rights movement was about gaining the American dream, and reducing the amount of shit encountered while working toward it. The splinter groups which have wanted to create separatist societies have remained on the fringe because a positive version of "equal but different" is still worse than just plain "equal." And so, there's a willingness to be included, even to the extent of being able to laugh along with non-demeaning humor.

In contrast, a sizable audience in the Muslim community (including, at the very least, CAIR) has no interest in assimilation. Many Muslim leaders has explicitly said that various terrorist actions are "against Islam." A normal reader might be forgiven for assuming that such a condemnation from a like-minded authority would therefore place violent jihad outside the Muslim community, and therefore would be a valid target for ridicule. The fault there is the assumption of like-mindedness; if, as appears to be the case, the authority only objects to the means and not the desired end of jihadi actions, there will still be resistance to cultural appropriation. In other words, if someone is determined to be a humorless pissant, they'll find a reason.

As far as I'm concerned, that makes the auto dealer ads entirely appropriate to run. Any group which in effect demands both outsider status and special treatment in a multicultural society deserves to be mocked.

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Re: a religion of pissants

port1080.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 06:22:10 PM EST

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The latter has all the trappings of equally offensive to the African-American community as the auto campaign: appropriated language and actions for the sake of profit, and mockery from a culture which has typically been antagonistic to urban blacks. No one can ever accuse Smirnoff of "keeping it real" in that ad; and yet, there hasn't been a word of complaint. So, what's the difference?

Either you're being completely disingenuous, or you just don't get the point of the Smirnoff ad. It's poking fun at rich white folks, or perhaps at white suburban preppies who try to be "urban" (such as "Pretty Fly For a White Guy"). It's self-consciously ironic, not literal - the ad isn't trying to make people think drinking Smirnoff "raw tea" will make you "cool and urban" even if you're a preppy - it's making fun of people who think that - and thus marketing itself to people who don't do that. There is no way to draw a parallel between this and the Dennis Mitsubishi ads - the Dennis ads aren't using jihadist imagery to mock car buyers, they're mocking jihad to entice people to buy cars. Unless you can do a much better job of explaining yourself, I don't see how your argument possibly stands up.

Many Muslim leaders has explicitly said that various terrorist actions are "against Islam." A normal reader might be forgiven for assuming that such a condemnation from a like-minded authority would therefore place violent jihad outside the Muslim community, and therefore would be a valid target for ridicule.

How would you feel about an ad campaign that claimed "Our new sedan has enough room for three disgraced Catholic priests to have sex with little boys" - would you say that ad isn't at all insulting to Catholicism? After all, we're only talking about "disgraced priests" - not the whole Catholic church. Why on earth would Catholics be offended?

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Re: a religion of pissants

gerrymander.

Fri Oct 06, 2006 at 10:23:20 PM EST

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Dennis ads aren't using jihadist imagery to mock car buyers, they're mocking jihad to entice people to buy cars.

And the Smirnoff ad campaign is mocking gangsta rap tropes in order to sell vodka drinks. Do you honestly think anyone is actually going to use the Nantucket, MA hand signals to represent? Is a suburban wannabe going to say, "Yo, where my WASPs at?" instead of some other racial identifier?

I agree that there's plenty of self-conscious irony, but that's present in the car ads, too. Obnoxious, over-the-top advertisements are par for the course, as any late-night local television viewing will attest. If you're not hearing that in the jihad ads, you've missed something.

As to your priest ad thought-experiment, I'll note two things: one, no one within the Catholic Church has ever denied the religion of the pedophiles because of their actions; and two, none of the priests ever said anything like "I'm raping you in the name of God and the Holy See." This is in stark contrast to Muslims who have conveniently defined "Muslim" to exclude unpopular (in the West) actions done specifically in the name of that religion.

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