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Made-to-Order Babies Coming Right Up

port1080.

Posted to Etcetera on Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 09:10:23 PM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

Last Friday US FDA investigators interviewed Jennalee Ryan of San Antonio, Texas about her business. Ms. Ryan creates custom embryos from sperm and egg donors of the highest stock and then sells them to clients who wish to produce superior children.

Ms. Ryan stacks the odds in her client's favor by only accepting sperm and eggs from young, good looking, and intelligent donors. Anyone who can pay the fee can buy one of these embryos (they run about $5,000 a pair). Ryan claims that she is in the business for one reason only, as she states, "For me, that's what this is all about: helping make babies." Critics, however, question the wisdom of custom created children. Bioethicists have been particularly disturbed, with one noted member of the field (Robert P. George of Princeton University) claiming:

"This is just more evidence that we haven't been able to restrain this move towards treating human life like a commodity. This buying and selling of eggs and sperm and now embryos based on IQ points and PhDs and other traits really moves us in the direction of eugenics."
Other scientists, however, note that this is not much different than what already goes on at traditional sperm banks, where clients separately select the male and female donors. Ryan's major innovation is to combine the process and take it a step further. It actually makes a lot of business sense, and as Slate's William Saletan notes, Ryan is bringing the logic of the wholesale business to her end of the deal.

While Ryan's business brings up a lot of disturbing questions about how and in what ways we value and sanction the creation of new life, the FDA's verdict was swift - "a supervisor for the federal agency said it didn't appear the business was in violation of any regulations."

Tags: written by port1080, edited by 1fastdog, babies, eugenics, embryos, sperm, eggs, The Abraham Center Of Life (all tags)

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Re: Made-to-Order Babies Coming Right Up

Thalia.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 08:00:54 PM EST

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I'm not going to worry about it as long as it's a standard combination of egg & sperm.  If you want to use the sperm/egg of a Nobel Prize winner & you can't get them into bed directly, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to buy it.  I'll start worrying when they actually DO make the babies "to order" a la Gattica.  If they manipulate either the sperm or egg before implantation, I think we tread in much riskier territory.  For now, this is the same as the mating display of any other species.  We want the beautiful/smart/successful one as the parent of our child.  And why not.

Thalia

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port1080.

Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 11:01:40 PM EST

none

This creeps me out, but at the same time I think it's practically inevitable.  How do you legislate against something like this?  If people want it, they'll get it.  Proponents will frame the fight in the language of pro-choice abortion advocates (i.e. - it's my body/genetic material and I should be able to do with it as I see fit).  Those who oppose will get cast as reactionaries who can't keep up with modern times.  I'm okay with change, but the implications of where this all might take us do scare me more than a bit.  I hope that we can at least get a good handle on regulating biotech, and that scientists have enough forethought to think some of the hairier ideas through before they run with them, but in the end I just don't have that much confidence in humanity's collective common sense.

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MayorBob.

Thu Jan 18, 2007 at 11:42:30 PM EST

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I'm not even certain this qualifies as good biotech.  It involves IVF, which isn't really cutting edge medicine or anything.  The genetic engineering of this seems awfully unsophisticated -- essentially match up a sperm from a stud muffin PHD with an egg from a physically appealing PHD and implant embryo.  The only thing is that an embryo implanted doesn't necessarily equate to a child eight to nine months later.  We have some very good friends who were desperate to have a child but they couldn't conceive in utero.  So she had to have some of her eggs harvested and he had to produce some of his sperm.  Embryos were created and, finally, after three failures, they finally succeeded in having one take.  She's due in about a month and so far, so good.  But so far, they've been through a bunch of money (small consideration for them -- she's a doctor and he's a psychologist) but they've also been through the highs of implanting the embryo to the lows of having the embryo be rejected.  Point is that the baby they have will be produced from their material and contain links back to their respective maternal and paternal lines, so they're fairly aware of the medical histories of their family.  But what do these women really know about the backgrounds of the respective donors other than they're physically fit, fairly attractive, and have managed to get a PhD?

But, as you say, it's doable and there are people who are willing to provide someone desperate enough to have a little bouncing potential PhD with what they want.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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housewife2000.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 11:16:27 AM EST

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On top of the risks of the embryo not taking, nothing guarentees that combing the dna of two attractive, inteligent, healthy people creates a child that isn't ugly, sickly, and dumb as a box of rocks.  I have three kids, and all of them resemble their grandparents more than Hubby and I. One is autistic, even though there is no known  autism in either family. My youngest has red hair...RED HAIR, we still don't know how that happened. There is no way to know if your kids gonna be attractive un utero, or smart, or healthy(barring some major concerns). What happens if their super embryo creates a mediocre child? Do they still love and take care of it, do they place said "inferior" baby up for adoption?

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wetkarma.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 01:43:27 PM EST

none


My youngest has red hair...RED HAIR, we still don't know how that happened.

I hate to be indelicate..but have you considered the possibility that either your egg or hubby's sperm got switched with someone else?

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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ms sue.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 02:27:25 PM EST

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I hate to be indelicate..but have you considered the possibility that either your egg or hubby's sperm got switched with someone else?

At least the milkman's off the hook these days.

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housewife2000.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 02:31:39 PM EST

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I might have been a little unclear...All three of my boys were concieved in the old fashioned, fun, time honored tradition.

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Thalia.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 04:03:16 PM EST

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Clearly Wetkarma was being excessively delicate.  

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ms sue.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 04:10:04 PM EST

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I'm afraid I had the same misconception as did wetkarma.

So we're back to the milkman then. :-)

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housewife2000.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 07:14:46 PM EST

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Yeah, but the milkman for my area is a woman! Explaint that!

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ms sue.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 07:28:28 PM EST

none

Wow. Talk about cutting-edge technology.

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Heh

Lou.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 04:31:37 PM EST

none

You said "misconception "

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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ms sue.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 06:19:31 PM EST

none

Did I? :-)

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Abomination!!

charlies.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 10:12:57 PM EST

none

Yes, it's an abomination! If women can have these embryos implanted, why, oh, why would I and my fellow-PhDs go to the gym every day to keep our abs all ripped? Why would we skip the Nobel awards ceremony to jog twenty miles? We do it for our groupies, all those voluptous young women who leave us their phone numbers on pages torn from L' Etranger at the bar near the University.

 

January 20, 2009. Justice becomes possible.

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Made-to-Order Babies

teaweed.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 at 01:10:43 PM EST

none

I haven't heard that there are genes for unattractive or dumb. I wonder if the patrons of this business honestly believe they're buying superior embryos, or if they're just hoping like most parents for the child's best. I also wonder if the medical evaluation for the donors includes major histocompatibility complex matching.

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