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Bush Flip-Flops on Warrantless Wiretaps

Thalia.

Posted to Legal on Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 10:50:07 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

As the Bush Administration has been losing in the courts pretty consistently, their current tactic is to try to remove jurisdiction from the court whenever they look like they're about to lose. The most recent attempt at this was the announcement that the controversial NSA wiretapping program, which the administration argued did not require court supervision, should be under under FISA's jurisdiction after all.

Now the administration is arguing that the ACLU-brought lawsuit against the old, warrantless program is moot, as a result of the change in policy. Previously, the Administration had tried to moot Jose Padilla's appeal, Salim Hamdan's case, and many others. Their new motto appears to be "When you lose, just change tactics." I just wish they'd bother applying this in Iraq.

Tags: written by Thalia, edited by port1080, FISA, wire-taps, warrantless, ACLU, spying (all tags)

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Question: Why would the ACLU suit be moot?

wetkarma.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 01:41:19 PM EST

none

I'm not acquainted with the full details of the ACLU suit, but presumably they are suing on the basis of a violation of the 1st and 4th amendment. If the government has now promised to stop the (alleged) violations, how does that make the suit moot?

Wouldn't the activity which had already taken place be what is in question, and shouldn't the court rule on whether the activity was indeed lawful regardless of whether the government has stopped doing it?

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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Re: Question: Why would the ACLU suit be moot?

Thalia.

Fri Jan 19, 2007 at 03:59:48 PM EST

none

The lawsuit was about the constitutionality of the Bush Administration's assertion that they had the executive power to do this.  Since the ACLU doesn't actually have a party of interest (i.e. they have no documentation about who has been harmed by such a wiretap) it'll be hard for them to maintain the suit now that it is no longer going on.

Thalia

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Re: Bush Flip-Flops on Warrantless Wiretaps

charlies.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 at 02:49:16 AM EST

none

I think the Administration is practicing deceit at a deeper level. At various times Bush and Gonzales have asserted a "national security" power allowing them to tap any phone, any time, anywhere. By "conceding" that a FISA warrant is necessary, Bush is trying to skip around the guts of the ACLU suit, which contends that many of the "national security" cases should have Fourth Amendment protection. Remember that normal Fourth Amendment law doesn't apply to FISA cases.

Also, recall that FISA allows retroactive warrants. If you don't have probable cause, break in, search, and see if you can find some and bring it back to FISA court.

January 20, 2009. Justice becomes possible.

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Re: Bush Flip-Flops on Warrantless Wiretaps

rEvolution inAction.

Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 02:10:09 AM EST

none

retroactive warrants? In what cases? It's not jsut a case of B&E is it? They go in check the place out.. if they were wrong.. well you'll probably just think it was a robbery.. if they were right.. oh all of a sudden it's legally obtained evidence..  Please tell me that they need to have some urgent reason in order to go ahead with a search before a warrant is issued.. please.

Tipping Sacred Cows

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Re: Bush Flip-Flops on Warrantless Wiretaps

charlies.

Fri Jan 26, 2007 at 03:34:08 AM EST

none

The original idea was that there might be a problem with a spy needing to make immediate contact with his control.

Did you see the PBS version of [I]Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy[/I]? Remember when the "mole" was under surveilance and called for a crash meeting with his control? The idea behind the original authorization was that without a tap, it might be impossible to locate or identify his control. So the FISA rules allow the government to place the tap, then go explain to the FISA court that they really did have probable cause all along, they just didn't know which phone to tap.

It worked that way for thirty years. Then Bush decided it was too much trouble.

January 20, 2009. Justice becomes possible.

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