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Should Raising An Obese Child Be A Crime?

MayorBob.

Posted to Etcetera on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 08:54:43 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

The answer to that question is a resounding yes for some social workers and doctors in the United Kingdom.  There has been an increasing trend in the UK to treat obese children in the same fashion as children reported to be at risk from physical or sexual abuse.  Beyond merely insuring that parents have to work together with national health authorities to deal with cases of obese children, there are some who believe allowing a child to become obese should bring criminal charges.

Childhood obesity is growing problem in the UK.  Britain's Health and Social Care Information Centre reported a doubling in the incidence of childhood obesity between 1995 and 2004.  Obesity among adults for the same period has also risen to the point where almost one in four Britons are considered obese.  The cost of dealing with obesity is estimated at "about £1bn" for the National Health Service (NHS), "with a further £2.3bn to £2.6bn for the economy as a whole."  The NHS is working to achieve a goal of halting the rise in childhood obesity by 2010, a goal that many Members of Parliament are warning will not be met.

While the leadership of the NHS works to try to mount a cohesive strategy, people in the trenches of the war on obesity, have begun taking extreme measures themselves.  The initial set of steps that social workers and doctors treating obese kids are taking is to place their names on Child Protection Registers (CPR).  Placement of a name on a CPR will result in a government social worker becoming a regular presence in family affairs.  Families with children listed on CPRs are required to work out plans to reduce the risk cited to the child; in this instance, some form of dietary and exercise regimen to be imposed for the child with regular check ups from a social worker.  As in the case of children at risk for physical or sexual abuse, the only way to get delisted from a CPR is to have a head social worker certify that the risk no longer exists.

But some doctors and social workers suggest that more stringent measures might be needed - stringent measures like placing the obese child in foster care and possible criminal charges against the parents.  Dr. Russell Viner, a London pediatrician, says "we now constantly get letters from social workers about child protection due to childhood obesity."  Dr. Alyson Hall, a child psychologist, says the real problems are parents who can't, or won't, abide by plans to decrease their children's weight.  Dr. Tom Solomon, a neurologist, pointed to the recent case of two brothers who were convicted of allowing their dog to balloon to 160 pounds.  Solomon wonders why similar charges couldn't be brought against the parents of obese children.  After all, they're exposing their children to a wide range of health risks, and putting a strain on the NHS in the bargain.  Solomon says, "the state intervenes with schooling" and, in some instances, they are "killing our children by our feeding habits."  A spokesperson with a child health advocacy group agrees, "it (allowing children to become obese) should be a punishable offense."

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by MayorBob, health, children, child abuse, obesity, UK (all tags)

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squirell tonight mammy

Steve Urkel.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 05:54:17 PM EST

5.00 (astute, funny)

If these kids had pump action shotguns, like I did as a boy, they could shoot nutritious and low fat wild game to eat. The hunt itself is healthy excercise. This highlights the contrast between growing up in a free country and a police state which is what the UK is.

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Re: squirell tonight mammy

shatov.

Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 07:51:07 PM EST

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My mother's liver gave up a couple of years ago, and she has been slowly recovering since then. One of the many things that she can not eat is domesticated livestock - but game is fine. So my parents have been enjoying rabbit, deer, etc. for the past few years. She buys these at the local "farmer's" market. The guy goes out and shoots them himself, I think, although I'm not sure.

Anyway, the point of this is that hunting is legal in the UK. Take this holiday website as an example.

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Re: Should Raising An Obese Child Be A Crime?

Toby Flip.

Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 02:34:20 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

but the laws tend to be written in order to punish the people who don't want to share a particular moral code.

I have heard stories that the parliamentarians in Sweden only legislate laws banning their own character faults.  Also, in Denmark, the police arrest themselves.

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Wow...just wow...

rombuu.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:04:46 AM EST

none

...I mean I fail to see anything that could possibly go wrong with that plan.

Here is a little gedankenexperiment for everyone though... what do you think is worse for a child in the long term?  A parent that let's the kid hit the ding-dongs a little hard (or the crisps if you will), or a child that doesn't read to their kids a few times a week?   I know which side I'd be on, so I fully expect parents to start filling out book reports each week and submitting them to the appropriate authorities.

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Re: Wow...just wow...

ms sue.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:36:40 AM EST

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A parent that let's the kid hit the ding-dongs a little hard (or the crisps if you will), or a child that doesn't read to their kids a few times a week?

In fairness, though, the article does include this:

The state intervenes with schooling. Parents who do not send their children to school are prosecuted eventually. To be badly educated is not dangerous but we are making our children diabetic, and even killing our children by our feeding habits.

Also, I doubt that we're talking here about hitting the ding-dongs a little hard. Have you ever seen one of those horribly exploitive talk shows about obese toddlers...the ones where they parade them in front of the audience in their diapers? I'm embarrassed to say that I have, and it is truly appalling.

Most appalling, however, is the response from so many of the "parents." Basically, they, usually very overweight themselves, use food instead of parenting and have no clue  how to stop doing that.

I'm not condoning removing a fat child from his parents' care. But if we're talking about a child's life being threatened by a morbid obesity linked directly to his home life, then I think some action is appropriate. If the parents refuse to cooperate at all and continue to injure their kid despite being given all the help and counseling possible, then is that parent a fit custodian?  

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Re: Wow...just wow...

gerrymander.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:48:29 AM EST

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To be badly educated is not dangerous

Methinks the article's author needs to spend some time among the general prison population and/or welfare offices.

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Re: Wow...just wow...

shane.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:02:29 PM EST

none

How exactly does someone raise an obese toddler?  And why would they put them on TV?  I have one toddler and my other child is just a bit older than toddler... and I can't really imagine how you could get so much food into them that they would be obese, or even fat.  All they ever do is run, and they don't even want to stop to eat.

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An old saying...

Lou.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:07:28 PM EST

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and I can't really imagine how you could get so much food into them that they would be obese, or even fat.  All they ever do is run, and they don't even want to stop to eat.

"An apple doesn't fall too far from the tree."  Where are you on the physical activity spectrum...other than chasing your kids around?  I would hazard a guess that you're moderately or better physically active.  I know I'm painting with a broad brush here, but from my own experience and from observing my students, kids that come from homes with a minimum of couch potato activity seem to be on the thinner side of things.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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Re: An old saying...

shane.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 04:12:39 PM EST

4.00 (funny)

We have no TV and eat fairly healthy foods...  we never drink soda and rarely drink juice... that may have something to do with it.  Only one of us parents is skinny..

We do have 4 apple trees and I have noticed that apples tend to fall close to the threes.  Then the deer come and eat them.

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Re: Wow...just wow...

Thalia.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:25:44 PM EST

none

It's a genetic lottery.  I have a toddler who is average stocky, and we're lazy bastards.  My sister-in-law has an obese toddler, who was born at 13 pounds! and has been heavy since birth.  I've had him for sleepovers, and all day events, and he runs around and eats no more than my kid does.  My sister-in-law is a fitness fanatic and runs marathons.  I can't imagine the presence of ding-dongs, or even potato chips at their house.  Apparently her kid inherited genes for overweight.  Hopefully, he'll lose the puppy fat when he hits puberty. Apparently, my sister-in-law was also a chubby kid, and now is definitely not.

Thalia

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Re: Wow...just wow...

shane.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 04:19:45 PM EST

none

Maybe there is a correlation in the temperature you keep your house at?  My house is wood-heated and often cold, especially at night.  Energy spent keeping the body warm can't be turned into fat...

But you make a good point, what affects a persons metabolism level?  Can two people eat the same foods, perform the same activity and only one of them be overweight?

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Re: Wow...just wow...

ms sue.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 06:37:30 PM EST

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I don't know the answers, Shane. I had a hard enough time getting my daughter to eat....period.

In most of these cases, the parents admitted to a diet primarily consisting of junk food, though, so that stuff is more appealing and calorie-dense.

Once a toddler or child starts packing on those pounds, physical activity probably isn't as enjoyable. The babies on these shows have trouble just walking due to their obesity.

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Re: Should Raising An Obese Child Be A Crime?

pO157.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:39:42 PM EST

none

I really believe in minimal government intervention in situations like this. I can see where some would be concerned (Oh! Think of the Children!) and I think it is horrible that children are already overweight. But, unless the child is overweight (extremely morbidly obese) to the point where they are physically unable to carry on day to day activity I would rather the government take a more advisory role, if any. Unfortunately, I believe action in these cases would lead simply to more "nanny state" activity down the road (Medicare Administrator doesn't approve of terminally ill patient or families course of treatment choice? Why, get a court order and force the alternate!).

Somebody implied that poor education, etc could lead to obesity. If this is true, and poor education usually leads to poverty, how about requiring food stamp eligible items to be "healthy" and not processed junk food crap? Perhaps couple this with a program to provide low cost transport to the area grocery stores for people on 'stamps? I cannot tell you how many times I have seen people on assistance buying high salt, high fat (and high cost!) tiny frozen pizzas or whatnot at the corner store when a mile or two away is a grocery store full of healthy food that they are barred from getting to due to lack of transportation. This wouldn't cure the problem, but I believe it would help those who wanted to change.

Of course, it could all just simply be the microbes in your gut that are linked with obesity, leading to the argument (which I do not buy) that it is not really the fault of anybody at all that they have the wrong bacteria in their intestines.

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Re: Should Raising An Obese Child Be A Crime?

MayorBob.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 04:04:24 PM EST

none

Seeing as how you mentioned food stamps, here's a look at the rules regarding what can, and can't, be bought using food stamps.  Note that you can't use them for food you'd eat inside the store or hot foods.  I remember seeing a sign in the Wawa which announced "heated sandwiches cannot be paid for with EBTs."  And I wondered what is the difference between someone using an EBT to buy a large Italian hoagie and a large grinder?  Is this a plot by the Welfare Department to bring Domino's to its knees.

Although the number of things which qualify as child abuse seems to expand as time goes along (witness the move to criminalize spanking in California), I wonder if this sort of overreaching of government authority (to treat people who allow their kids to weigh too much the same as those who beat them or sexually abuse them) will play that well on this side of the Atlantic.  If I recall a number of school districts were thinking about informing parents that their kids didn't hit some sort of magic level on the BMI and that was met with much consternation and rejection.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Should Raising An Obese Child Be A Crime?

ms sue.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 06:32:55 PM EST

none

But, unless the child is overweight (extremely morbidly obese) to the point where they are physically unable to carry on day to day activity I would rather the government take a more advisory role, if any.

Agreed. And those are precisely the children I had in mind when I wrote my earlier post. And inn any of those cases, Prader Willi syndrome should be ruled out.

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Punishment through legislation

Acefantastik.

Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 12:51:21 AM EST

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One of the curious things about liberal democracies is how the collective will of busybodies results in attempts to create laws which would people for having "bad" character attributes. For example, in the 20th century in America, right wingers have been going crazy for laws that restrict or punish homosexuality, indecency, and unsobriety, despite the fact that most Right Wingers pushing said laws didn't need the laws in place to make their own personal decisions about those topics. Occasional gay pastors aside, most Rightists would choose to abstain from "immoral" behavior, but the laws tend to be written in order to punish the people who don't want to share a particular moral code.

Left wingers are just as crazy for legislation that addresses physical health, particularly the physical health of other people. Hence, a good idea like banning smoking where children are mutates into scolding all smokers and attempting to ban the practice entirely. Putting a safety helmet on your lame kid while he peddles around the driveway is your business, but requiring that every child wear gear is nonsense--myself and millions of other former reckless children who never suffered a broken bone or worse will agree. It is the job of the individual parent to ascertain whether their child is clumsy enough to require safety equipment, not the government's job to require that all non-clumsy children wear unneeded knee pads.

In the area of food, this is close to what I've been insisting through these years: the battle against fat people is going to very much resemble the battle against social tobacco, where first, the "needs of children" will be rightly addressed, but then the choices and freedoms of adults are questioned in the guise of "public health economy". One can easily envision a society where adult obesity is either a civil or criminal offense, or everyday situations where discrimination against the zaftig is accepted.

And as far as "protecting children", and "active children", I'm not sure I get it, or agree with the concept. There is a wide line between the freaks that pop up on cable news and trash tv and an everyday chubby kid. As an adult, I happen to be thin, but the years I was ten and eleven, I was somewhat chunky. I'm nearly positive that I would have failed today's psychotic BMI/obesity tests. But I was active. I played sports 12 months a year, and I was properly fed. I was just gaining weight faster than height. Imagine if you will, then, my shock to find out that the British government was fining my parents from the future. Well, that part didn't happen. But it does consternate me to think that when I have children someday, the government may well want to punish me if some chart says that my kids are fat. Even worse, if laws like this get passed in America, it will be more likely to be advocated by busybody liberals, ever at the ready to punish what is unhealthy.

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Re: Punishment through legislation

ms sue.

Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 10:04:32 AM EST

none

There is a wide line between the freaks that pop up on cable news and trash tv and an everyday chubby kid.

But those "freaks" do exist. I can't know for sure whether this story relates solely to those whose lives are in jeopardy and whose parents have repeatedly ignored the recommended steps to help their children (according to the article), but those are the kids I referred to.

In those very extreme cases, it seems to me that the parents, through their neglect and refusal to abide by the required plan set up to help the family, might be viewed as unfit (no pun intended) parents.  

Any solution that separated the child from his parents, though, should be the absolute last option when all else has failed and the child is demonstrably suffering. I doubt that too many cases would fall into this category.

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