If these kids had pump action shotguns, like I did as a boy, they could shoot nutritious and low fat wild game to eat. The hunt itself is healthy excercise. This highlights the contrast between growing up in a free country and a police state which is what the UK is.
but the laws tend to be written in order to punish the people who don't want to share a particular moral code.
I have heard stories that the parliamentarians in Sweden only legislate laws banning their own character faults. Also, in Denmark, the police arrest themselves.
...I mean I fail to see anything that could possibly go wrong with that plan.
Here is a little gedankenexperiment for everyone though... what do you think is worse for a child in the long term? A parent that let's the kid hit the ding-dongs a little hard (or the crisps if you will), or a child that doesn't read to their kids a few times a week? I know which side I'd be on, so I fully expect parents to start filling out book reports each week and submitting them to the appropriate authorities.
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:36:40 AM EST
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A parent that let's the kid hit the ding-dongs a little hard (or the crisps if you will), or a child that doesn't read to their kids a few times a week?
In fairness, though, the article does include this:
The state intervenes with schooling. Parents who do not send their children to school are prosecuted eventually. To be badly educated is not dangerous but we are making our children diabetic, and even killing our children by our feeding habits.
Also, I doubt that we're talking here about hitting the ding-dongs a little hard. Have you ever seen one of those horribly exploitive talk shows about obese toddlers...the ones where they parade them in front of the audience in their diapers? I'm embarrassed to say that I have, and it is truly appalling.
Most appalling, however, is the response from so many of the "parents." Basically, they, usually very overweight themselves, use food instead of parenting and have no clue how to stop doing that.
I'm not condoning removing a fat child from his parents' care. But if we're talking about a child's life being threatened by a morbid obesity linked directly to his home life, then I think some action is appropriate. If the parents refuse to cooperate at all and continue to injure their kid despite being given all the help and counseling possible, then is that parent a fit custodian?
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 10:48:29 AM EST
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To be badly educated is not dangerous
Methinks the article's author needs to spend some time among the general prison population and/or welfare offices.
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:02:29 PM EST
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How exactly does someone raise an obese toddler? And why would they put them on TV? I have one toddler and my other child is just a bit older than toddler... and I can't really imagine how you could get so much food into them that they would be obese, or even fat. All they ever do is run, and they don't even want to stop to eat.
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:07:28 PM EST
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and I can't really imagine how you could get so much food into them that they would be obese, or even fat. All they ever do is run, and they don't even want to stop to eat.
"An apple doesn't fall too far from the tree." Where are you on the physical activity spectrum...other than chasing your kids around? I would hazard a guess that you're moderately or better physically active. I know I'm painting with a broad brush here, but from my own experience and from observing my students, kids that come from homes with a minimum of couch potato activity seem to be on the thinner side of things.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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We have no TV and eat fairly healthy foods... we never drink soda and rarely drink juice... that may have something to do with it. Only one of us parents is skinny..
We do have 4 apple trees and I have noticed that apples tend to fall close to the threes. Then the deer come and eat them.
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:25:44 PM EST
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It's a genetic lottery. I have a toddler who is average stocky, and we're lazy bastards. My sister-in-law has an obese toddler, who was born at 13 pounds! and has been heavy since birth. I've had him for sleepovers, and all day events, and he runs around and eats no more than my kid does. My sister-in-law is a fitness fanatic and runs marathons. I can't imagine the presence of ding-dongs, or even potato chips at their house. Apparently her kid inherited genes for overweight. Hopefully, he'll lose the puppy fat when he hits puberty. Apparently, my sister-in-law was also a chubby kid, and now is definitely not.
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Maybe there is a correlation in the temperature you keep your house at? My house is wood-heated and often cold, especially at night. Energy spent keeping the body warm can't be turned into fat...
But you make a good point, what affects a persons metabolism level? Can two people eat the same foods, perform the same activity and only one of them be overweight?
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I don't know the answers, Shane. I had a hard enough time getting my daughter to eat....period.
In most of these cases, the parents admitted to a diet primarily consisting of junk food, though, so that stuff is more appealing and calorie-dense.
Once a toddler or child starts packing on those pounds, physical activity probably isn't as enjoyable. The babies on these shows have trouble just walking due to their obesity.
I really believe in minimal government intervention in situations like this. I can see where some would be concerned (Oh! Think of the Children!) and I think it is horrible that children are already overweight. But, unless the child is overweight (extremely morbidly obese) to the point where they are physically unable to carry on day to day activity I would rather the government take a more advisory role, if any. Unfortunately, I believe action in these cases would lead simply to more "nanny state" activity down the road (Medicare Administrator doesn't approve of terminally ill patient or families course of treatment choice? Why, get a court order and force the alternate!).
Somebody implied that poor education, etc could lead to obesity. If this is true, and poor education usually leads to poverty, how about requiring food stamp eligible items to be "healthy" and not processed junk food crap? Perhaps couple this with a program to provide low cost transport to the area grocery stores for people on 'stamps? I cannot tell you how many times I have seen people on assistance buying high salt, high fat (and high cost!) tiny frozen pizzas or whatnot at the corner store when a mile or two away is a grocery store full of healthy food that they are barred from getting to due to lack of transportation. This wouldn't cure the problem, but I believe it would help those who wanted to change.
Of course, it could all just simply be the microbes in your gut that are linked with obesity, leading to the argument (which I do not buy) that it is not really the fault of anybody at all that they have the wrong bacteria in their intestines.
One of the curious things about liberal democracies is how the collective will of busybodies results in attempts to create laws which would people for having "bad" character attributes. For example, in the 20th century in America, right wingers have been going crazy for laws that restrict or punish homosexuality, indecency, and unsobriety, despite the fact that most Right Wingers pushing said laws didn't need the laws in place to make their own personal decisions about those topics. Occasional gay pastors aside, most Rightists would choose to abstain from "immoral" behavior, but the laws tend to be written in order to punish the people who don't want to share a particular moral code.
Left wingers are just as crazy for legislation that addresses physical health, particularly the physical health of other people. Hence, a good idea like banning smoking where children are mutates into scolding all smokers and attempting to ban the practice entirely. Putting a safety helmet on your lame kid while he peddles around the driveway is your business, but requiring that every child wear gear is nonsense--myself and millions of other former reckless children who never suffered a broken bone or worse will agree. It is the job of the individual parent to ascertain whether their child is clumsy enough to require safety equipment, not the government's job to require that all non-clumsy children wear unneeded knee pads.
In the area of food, this is close to what I've been insisting through these years: the battle against fat people is going to very much resemble the battle against social tobacco, where first, the "needs of children" will be rightly addressed, but then the choices and freedoms of adults are questioned in the guise of "public health economy". One can easily envision a society where adult obesity is either a civil or criminal offense, or everyday situations where discrimination against the zaftig is accepted.
And as far as "protecting children", and "active children", I'm not sure I get it, or agree with the concept. There is a wide line between the freaks that pop up on cable news and trash tv and an everyday chubby kid. As an adult, I happen to be thin, but the years I was ten and eleven, I was somewhat chunky. I'm nearly positive that I would have failed today's psychotic BMI/obesity tests. But I was active. I played sports 12 months a year, and I was properly fed. I was just gaining weight faster than height. Imagine if you will, then, my shock to find out that the British government was fining my parents from the future. Well, that part didn't happen. But it does consternate me to think that when I have children someday, the government may well want to punish me if some chart says that my kids are fat. Even worse, if laws like this get passed in America, it will be more likely to be advocated by busybody liberals, ever at the ready to punish what is unhealthy.