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You Paid WHAT For That?

port1080.

Posted to Etcetera on Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 03:46:53 PM EST (promoted by 1fastdog). RSS.

Foodies and wine enthusiasts have long been willing to pay top dollar for that special bottle of wine, or what the Zagat's claim is the best hot chocolate in New York. What's new is that in this day and age, and the moment of the celebrity chef, even the proles are beginning to appreciate the allure of good food and fine wines.

With the added attention that these luxuries are receiving, consumers must begin to ask themselves whether the added price is really worth it. Taste is highly subjective, and it's been long known that perception has a huge role to play in how we evaluate what we eat and drink. The classic example was a 1976 blind taste test, held in Paris, in which top French wine judges picked Californian wines over their French counterparts despite France's perceived station as the wine making capital of the world.

In a more recent example, a $30 bottle of supermarket champagne won the bubbly category in the 2005 International Wine Challenge, beating out much more expensive competition. Even wines from a supposed wine backwater, like Pennsylvania, can often come out well when tasted blind.

What's the most that you have ever paid for a bottle of wine, or a good meal out on the town? Was it worth it, or did the hype and the price tag cloud your judgment and lead you to paying far too much for something you could have equaled by buying from the bargain bin?

Editors note: While we're focused on buying into the hype and paying way too much for something, Thalia brings to our attention a series of articles that detail the scamtastic nature of the folks behind what some critics have proclaimed to be the best tasting chocolate available: NoKA chocolate.

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Beware the Frenchified

keta.

Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 04:28:23 PM EST

5.00 (funny)

I paid well over market price once for some, uh, company, soley on her name.  "Monique" was anything but unique.

I made the some mistake purchasing some, uh, product, one time from someone I didn't know.  "Ne Plus Ultra Skunk" was decidely not the wheelchair smoke advertised.

Maybe I should just schedule a long trip to France sometime soon and divest myself of these Francophillusions.

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hey, big spender

gerrymander.

Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 12:20:28 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Y'all are a bunch of weasels, with your race-to-the-bottom modesty.

The most I've paid for a bottle of wine is $250, and I've done it three times. The most for dinner was $500, and I've done so twice:

  • 2 bottles of Chateau Latour 1996, bought at auction at $250 apiece in 2000. Worth it? Don't know; they're in the wine cellar. Ask me again in 10 years. Would I do it again? Probably not. I've tasted enough wine in the past decade to have a much better handle on my preferences, and French reds aren't sufficiently high on the list to warrant further expenditure. But as above, ask me again in ten years.

  • 1 bottle of Sine Qua Non Incognito, bought at a restaurant in 2004. Worth it? Ab-so-fucking-lutely. I had tasted it before, thanks to one of the attorneys at the firm I work for. I have never had any other taste experience which even came close. (Imagine the best sex you've ever had, repackaged as 8 fluid ounces.) Both bottles were amazing. Would I do it again? If only I could. I found one bottle at auction six months ago for $600. Thank God I didn't have that kind of cash to blow.

  • Dinner for three at Kevin in 2004. Worth it? Since it included the bottle of Incognito above, very yes. Would I do it again? I've been following the eponimous owner in his career for 15 years, so I would definitely eat there again (and, in fact, have). But...  without the bottle, Kevin is in the normal big city 4-star restaurant price range. Ordering by the glass, I doubt I could hit that cost without doubling the number of attendees.

  • Dinner for three at Moto, 2006. Worth it? Yep. There are only six restaurants worldwide which do the "scientific reconstruction of food" bit as dinner/theater. Three are in Chicago. One uses lasers. This one*. Would I do it again? Had I more money or the restaurant less local competition, sure; the menu rotates every 3-4 months, so the novelty never completely vanishes. As it stands, I'm saving up for a visit to Alinea next.

    * And if that weren't enough, chef Homaru Cantu recently went head-to-head against Morimoto on Iron Chef America -- and won!

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    Re: hey, big spender

    coquito.

    Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 04:12:14 PM EST

    none

    "Race-to-the-bottom modesty" -- I like that.

    I wouldn't consider myself modest so much as realistic (not that you were necessarily talking to me). As far as wine goes, I've just never been impressed by expensive wines. In Italy, we had really expensive bottle of wine at a swank joint Verona, and I wasn't impressed. I had a friend, who's also a sommelier, buy our table a bottle of wine that was $150 and had him pounding the table like there was someone under there giving him a hummer, and I didn't taste anything special. Another "friend" who was the sommelier for an extremely well-known restaurant on the Upper East Side (I seem to have know alot of sommeliers... at least 4) brought a double magnum of some supposedly wondrous Champagne to one of our parties once and again, I just wasn't wowed. Kept the bottle though. Big sucker.

    Food is a little different. I've been wowed by certain places that really charge a premium for their food (and ambiance, and name, and valet parking...). A couple off the top of my head: Green Zebra in Chicago. Mostly vegetarian (which I am not) but wholly, indescribably delicious. I've never been more wowed by anything made out of beets. Beano's Cabin in Beaver Creek, CO. It's hard to imagine any other place I'd brave below-freezing temperatures and ice particles flying into my face for, despite the cheesy live music and the antler candelabras. The Charleston Grill in what used to be the Omni Hotel in Charleston, SC. Of course, that dinner might be memorable because the lovely girl I was with made the most sensual, nigh on inappropriate, sounds all through dinner. She really appreciated good food. I've had other amazing meals, many in other countries, but I honestly just don't remember the names of the places. But yeah, I'll pay for exquisite food. I just won't (can't) do it often ;)

    Now with caps!

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    socky.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 04:59:47 AM EST

    5.00 (interesting)

    I'm not completely convinced on very expensive wine. In restaurants *in the UK where I assume a 50-100% markup) I'd be prepared to go to £60-£70 (?$100-130 depending on exchange rate) if it was a special occasion. I can appreciate, in theory, that the super-expensive ones are better, they're just not enough better and the other calls on my disposable income (see below) are stronger.

    The exception to this, for me, is the tasting menus "we choose the wine" arrangement that destination restaurants do. These can easily add £70-100 per head to a meal but I have always felt I got value for money when I did that. (Not least because I don't have to think, just lay back and get serviced.)

    My husband and I tend to go to fancy restaurants as our special treat of choice - birthdays, anniversary, on holiday etc. As a result we have done quite a lot of the UK's fancy places, including  Pied a terre (although was in 2003 so different menu), about £300 for two. Also le Manoir aux Quat' Saisons - in 2000, was about £275 and at the time the most we had ever spent. But the most fabulous experience, plus fantastic food (and they sorted out the wine for each course) was in 2006 when we went to the Fat Duck - it really lived up to the hype, and had another huge advantage in the clientele. If you go to very expensive restaurants you are putting yourself into a different economic and social milieu. Lots of posh places in the UK are full of smug rich fat men and their very spoiled teen-20s children, or possibly 2nd wives or mistresses, and the ambience can be slightly alienating (although often in these places you can swiftly become the waiting staff's favourites simply by being polite - we've had conversations with the patissier, special access to the cheese room, and once, brilliantly, unfinished dessert wine swiped from another table, all laid on by staff who were simply relieved to talk to us). In many places I have often been quite convinced I am the only woman paying for half of her meal with money I earned, and lots of other diners really aren't bothered about the food - they can afford it every week so they have stopped noticing. But the Fat Duck was full of lively, engaged, interested people of all ages, who were all having a really special day. I can only imagine it would be like the atmosphere in a good jazz or blues club. Oh, and it cost £450. But the week after I got very very ill and might have died and that was horrible but I regularly thought how glad I was that we had gone there.

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    socky.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 05:15:44 AM EST

    none

    OOh, I forgot to say - some of the best food I have ever had was less expensive than that, most notably Linville Falls, NC - so good I have made sure to do the Blue Ridge Parkway twice. But then this is just an extremely good cuisine - other brilliant meals of my life would include a canteen-type place on the Broadway in Nashville, and a big family-outing place in Pigeon Forge where I had to say "please do not bring any more maple corn bread, because we will eat it".

    What I do resent is paying £30 a head for very ordinary food, which it is extremely easy to do in London - would rather just buy fruit and veg and do for myself, or find somewhere cheaper with a limited, constant range of mains and good beer.  

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    gerrymander.

    Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 04:26:39 PM EST

    none

    But yeah, I'll pay for exquisite food. I just won't (can't) do it often ;)

    Right with you there, coquito. The big dinner expenses are arrayed out by year for a reason -- not that I wouldn't go more frequently if I could.

    Both Green Zebra and the more Asian- and fish-themed Spring by the same owners have been on my "to try" list for a while now.

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    coquito.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 09:10:13 AM EST

    none

    Definitely go to Green Zebra. Like I said, I'm nowhere near a vegetarian and I thought it was amazing. Truly. Let me also suggest that you try out La Sardine, especially for lunch, especially on a Monday when they have wine specials. And Bin. The one on Milwaukee, not the one downtown. Bin's got everything going for it: great wines, wonderful food, and reasonable (for Chicago) prices. Oh, and I recently discovered Enoteca Roma, which  is better than Forno any day.

    The Bin comment brings to me something else, which I kvetched about in the Q. Sometimes, you just can't get good food for cheap. Let me flesh that out a little. I live in Chicago now, and sure, I can get good BBQ or a fantastic hotdog for cheap. But I daresay just about everything else seems overpriced by comparison, and when I say by comparison I mean compared to New York. There is simply no shortage of affordable, even flat out cheap, restaurants in New York that serve great food and wine -- Indian, sushi, Italian, tapas, Southern, Thai... you name it. In Chicago, I feel that good food on the order of, say, Planet Thai in NYC, or the sadly closed Rose of India, costs you twice as much in Chicago. And don't even get me started on the ridiculous delivery charges...

    Now with caps!

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    rombuu.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 10:12:17 AM EST

    none

    OK.. I'll throw my cards on the table.

    Expensive wine:  A bottle of Opus One from 1997.  Looks like it goes for three to four bills these days.  Did I enjoy it?  Yes.  But I'm really not a big wine drinker so I think the nuances was largely lost on me.  It's like taking a color blind person to the Louvre or something.  Even for me spending that much for wine seems a bit much...  I have a hard time spending a quarter of that for a nice single malt that will last me for months.  I don't think I'll be doing that again, either way.

    Meals:  Well, I don't go for expensive meals that much anymore.. I think the last one I had was at Seablue in Las Vegas, but it wasn't crazy expensive.  Oh, I guess before that did the chef's choice thing at Blue Ribbon Sushi in New York... being from the midwest I do enjoy quality sushi when I get the chance.

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    wetkarma.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 10:15:03 AM EST

    none

    What is it with Chicago and high end restaurants?  I must say that Moto does look great -- next time I'm in that town, I'll pay a vist.

    In terms of expensive over the top meals I've been to Seegers (Atlanta), Charlie Trotter (Chicago)*, Ritz-Carlton (San Francisco), Gordon Ramsay (London), El Raco de Can Fabes (Barcelona) and The Inn at Little Washington (Virginia/DC).

    Of those the ones that stand out in memory are the Inn, Seegers and Gordon Ramsay. Seegers because it was my first truly horrendously expensive meal and so everything was exotic (I recall the papyrus wrapped asparagus), the Inn because the smell/taste of truffles lasted for weeks afterwards, and Gordon Ramsay because their service was -flawless-.

    I have to admit though that generally speaking wine is lost on me. I like a good riesling/anything sweet, but the whole wine pairing with meat thing has never appealed to me. Your description of the Sine Qua Non is intriguing however, perhaps I'll get a bottle for a special anniversary.

    *Personally I found Charlie Trotters overrated and somewhat disappointing. Moto's and Kevin's look far more interesting.

    Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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    Bunch a pikers

    Lou.

    Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 09:12:39 PM EST

    5.00 (informative)

    Oooh, we got some big spender here, yessir.  Let me tell you, I have all of you beat.  

    Three words, one horrible name:  Good Monk Wine

    It had the highest alcohol to price ratio of any wine Albertsons in 1984.  I may have paid three bucks for the 1.75 liter bottle.  However, it did have a direct connection to the woman I would eventually marry.

    8 years and $30k later, we divorced.

    Friggin' monk.

    It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine

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    stevetherobot.

    Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 04:27:57 PM EST

    none

    Thanks eds for slipping all those extra links.  I was afraid that this article didn't have enough, but you saved the day.

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    Thalia.

    Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 08:01:27 PM EST

    none

    Hey, I only provided a single link to the NoKa story.  I just thought it was an excellent example of people paying more for the privilege of feeling like they're eating "special" foods, instead of looking at the actual quality.

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    $2/bottle

    shane.

    Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 04:29:05 PM EST

    none

    Yeah, I used to buy cheap wines for about $10-15/bottle... now I get mine from the local u-brew guy for $2/bottle or so.  I don't really have to do much of the brewing even, just put in an order and wait a couple months.  I have had one order already, split with a friend, so I didn't even have to do anything for that one.  I think all I'll have to do is go in and stir the wine or something, just once, then it'll be done!

    And it is just as good as the cheap wine I used to buy...  

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    Re: You Paid WHAT For That?

    ms sue.

    Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 06:48:13 PM EST

    none

    What's the most that you have ever paid for a bottle of wine, or a good meal out on the town?

    My husband has been an avid wine enthusiast for many years and has built up a decent collection. So when we go out for an expensive dinner, we bring our own. We know what we're getting, and we avoid the all-too-common huge mark up. If a restaurant has an outlandish corkage fee, we don't go there.

    Fortunately, BYOB is common and even encouraged in our area.

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    port1080.

    Tue Jan 30, 2007 at 07:14:29 PM EST

    none

    While writing this up, I thought of a few stories worth telling from my own experience...

    1. About two years ago, some friends of ours decided to have a "best bottle of wine under $10" party. We brought three wines - a $3 bottle, and two $8 bottles. In total there were about 15 or 20 bottles, if memory serves me. The "judge" covered up the labels and then the guests did blind taste testing and put in their picks for #1, #2, and #3. The wine that won was one of our $8 bottles, and it beat out two "ringer" bottles of $20 wine that were put in for kicks. There are good wines and there are bad wines, but quality doesn't correlate all that well with price. If you haven't trained your palate to appreciate the nuances of the drink, there's probably no reason to spend more than $15-$20 on a bottle (liquor store prices - restaurants obviously have quite a markup).

    2. When it comes to food / restaurants, you're paying for the entire experience, and sometimes part of the experience is paying more for the food. It's perverse, but paying more can sometimes be satisfying. Knowing that you're paying a lot for something does two things, I think - first, it makes you really take time to enjoy the food and the experience. You might plow through a 1/2 price steak at the Sizzler, but you'll take time and enjoy the $100 kobe beef. No matter what the kobe beef will be better, but if you actually spent as much time savoring the flavors of the cheaper meat, you'd probably still enjoy it more. Second, there's something like the placebo effect going on. If you spend money on something, you expect it to be good, and so you "fool" yourself into liking it more than you otherwise might (and of course the reverse is true - even if that line chef at the Sizzler screws up and actually turns out a good steak, you probably won't appreciate it as much because you don't expect much out of it).

    Ce n'est pas une pipe. C'est une signature.

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    10 bucks

    coquito.

    Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 10:27:51 AM EST

    none

    My general rule for vino is to not pay more than $10 for a bottle. I tend to stick to Tempranillos, Cabs, and lately Malbecs. I never had a taste for French wines and with the exception of Montepulciano I don't usually go out of my way for Italian wines either. My wife is pretty much the same way, though she likes a nice Merlot more than I do. We're basically "easy drinking" types. In Spain I don't think we ever ordered anything but the house red ;)

    Lucky for us, we live near a really good wine bar that's keen on featuring great wines that aren't too hard on the pocketbook. One of our recent favorites, at about $7 a glass turned out to be less than $10 a bottle from our local wine retailer.
    My own reasons for this are two-fold. For one, I like to drink alot of wine, so $30 bottles would really cramp my style unless I won the lottery or gave up other things, like food. Secondly, I don't have the right palate to get all hepped up about serious vintages with serious sticker prices. This is a matter of personal belief, and it's gotten me into arguments with friends, but I defend myself with the following personal anecdote:

    I took a truly awesome trip to Tahoe once with a friend. He brought friends, they brought friends, and so on and so on and so on... One of the girls there was a trained sommelier (is there any other kind?) and she was a buyer for Trader Joe's (yeah, the one that sells Two Buck Chuck. No, never tried it). Anyway... she brought along a case of wines, spanning prices, vintages, varietals and terroirs, and we proceeded to taste test just to prove a point. The vast majority of those in attendance preferred the wines that weren't the most expensive or the least expensive. Most of us, myself included, couldn't pick out the pricey bottles in a blind taste test.
    That was just one anecdote, but I could add up others from my life.

    So... there's the thing. I really like the wines I drink. And not every wine I buy ends up being good; I certainly prefer some to others. But I've found a range that's good for my palate and my pocketbook, so I'm not really tempted to stray into pricier territory (though I go on the occasional dinner where someone orders a magnum of some outrageously priced something or other. I drink it. I'm no snob. ;)

     

    Now with caps!

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    Ozyman.

    Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 03:41:53 PM EST

    none

    If you drink a decent amount of wine, and have someone to share it with, maybe think of moving up to the 1.5 L bottles.  My wife and I drink those 90% of the time, and there are a limited number of brands, so it's easier to get familiar with all of them.   We usually drink WoodBridge, which is $8-$12 depending on the varietal, and if there is a sale.  We also drink a fair amount of Fetzer.  When it's on sale, we get it for $11 a bottle.  Remember this is twice the size of a normal bottle, so you're really paying $5-$6 per standard bottle.  

    Clos Du Bois is also very good.  It's normally pretty expensive, but when the 1.5L are on sale, you can get them for around $17-$19, so it's pretty reasonable.

    We use the rubber corks, with the vacuum set, and most bottles seem to last a week or so in the fridge with no obvious degradation.

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    coquito.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 08:56:09 AM EST

    none

    Thanks, Ozyman. We definitely employ those rubber stoppers (ok, I'll admit, on rare occasions we'll finish a bottle in one night). We don't much bother with the vacuuming thing though. I should mention that 99% of the wine we drink is red, save for the occasional bubbly (gotta vac that if you have any left).
    As for the 1.5L bottles, we used to buy those when we picked up bottles of Yellow Tail, which we do rarely nowadays. But they're still great for parties. I just haven't been able to find any Spanish or South American wines in 1.5L bottles.

    Now with caps!

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    Re: You Paid WHAT For That?

    rEvolution inAction.

    Wed Jan 31, 2007 at 10:32:49 PM EST

    none

    Water.. paying for water...

    Tipping Sacred Cows

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    Re: You Paid WHAT For That?

    ckm.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 02:32:35 AM EST

    none

    Most of my family is from Burgundy (my mom lives in a very small rural village), so they are extreme foodies.   As far as the best chocolates, I can safely say that NOTHING I have ever tasted beats fresh, genuinely hand-made chocolates you can find in small specialized shops in Dole.   Dijon used to have what I considered the best chocolate makers in the world (they would throw out ALL the unsold chocolates at the end as they had "gone bad"), but they retired 3 years ago with no apprentice or children willing to takeover what is a very difficult art.  Most of these places are so hidden, you really have to be a local to know about them and they would be horrified at the thought of anyone not eating their chocolates the same day.

    Same goes for other kinds of fresh food.  My aunt has had butchers refuse to sell her a cut of beef knowing she was going to wait a few days to cook it. "Come back the day you're are going to cook", even if it was Christmas Eve....   One thing that has declined over the years is the availability of good bread, which is increasingly harder to find, particularly good baguette and brioche.  Believe it or not, but I can also get better croissants here in San Francisco that I found in a month in Burgundy (for those here in SF, try Tartine).   Same goes for most types of bread.

    Of course, living in San Francisco, I'm pretty much at ground zero for food and wine excess in the US.  We have 50 restaurants within a 5 minute walk of our house, with probably at least 20 ethnic varieties and ranging in price from less that $10/person to well over $100.  And there are some 3000 restaurants in SF for 800k people.

    As far as wine goes, my current favorite is Pina, which is a very, very small Napa winery.  Their Wolf Cabernet is fantastic and I'm not really a wine snob, I know virtually nothing about wine.  It's so fantastic that you can only buy futures, as all current production is sold out.   Go to the winery and barrel taste if you get a chance.  Fantastic wine, but at $70/bottle for delivery in 2009, a bit to rich for me.  However, tasting it gives you a great benchmark for other wines, and the winery is not a hellish tourist trap, you taste the wine in the barn, with a dirt floor and everyone is dressed like they just came off the land (rubber boots, overalls and all).

    One the extreme end of expense, a few of my friends love the French Laundry, which is $100-$200/person.  I think that for that price, anyone could buy enough quality ingredients to make a great meal and I refuse to pay that much for food, I don't care how highly it's rated.   Much more remarkable are places like Chez Panisse, which gets consistently rated as one of the best restaurants in the US, but has a prix-fix menu for $50-$65/person on weekdays.  Or Tu-Lan, a great Vietnamese place in the gritty part of downtown San Francisco with great food for less that $10.   One of my favorites in NYC was the Home Restaurant, which has since gotten so highly rated that the prices have gone through the roof.

    Anyway, the aforementioned Burgundy chocolates usually cost 100 Euros for 500g and I have been known to buy over $100 in French cheese for dinner (OK, it does last a few days and I'm not buying it for status).  And I do love that Republic of Tea, even though it's really expensive.   So I guess I'm quite guilty of indulging in 'luxury foods'.

    However, I also highly approve of very long meals with friends where good food and wine is consumed.  That is a very, very European thing and if more Americans do that, it should be encouraged, even if it takes luxury foods to do so.   In pursuit of that sort of thing, I had a 3 hour lunch on Monday and a two hour lunch today.   Slow food, enjoyed slowly with good company, much better that sitting in front of the TV with microwave food or eating fast-food at your desk for lunch.

    Chris.

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    ms sue.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 10:18:22 AM EST

    none

    One the extreme end of expense, a few of my friends love the French Laundry, which is $100-$200/person.  I think that for that price, anyone could buy enough quality ingredients to make a great meal and I refuse to pay that much for food, I don't care how highly it's rated.  

    We had dinner at the French Laundry several years ago in conjunction with a wine-touring trip. We were disappointed, to put it mildly. Granted, hype can diminish the actual experience, but I don't think that was the problem.

    The food was fine but nothing spectacular. And it was all so...stylized and precious. Maybe they've changed with the times and become more natural or rustic, but I doubt it. The worst part was how we felt rushed through each of the adorable courses.

    I have no problem with spending a hefty amount at a restaurant that serves wonderful food and has good service. But to us -- and I know we're in a tiny minority -- the FL had neither.

    Funny, but I guess we never mentioned our opinion of the place to our daughter, who that year gave us the French Laundry cookbook for Christmas.

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    ckm.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 12:14:13 PM EST

    none

    The real bargain in that area is the CIA, whose students will cook you an incredible meal for relatively cheap.  Personally, I always eat at the Calistoga Inn, as you can sit outside by the creek on warm summer nights and they have live music.

    Chris.

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    ms sue.

    Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 01:39:58 PM EST

    none

    We had some amazing meals up there. In fact, that was the only one that didn't impress us.

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    Thalia.

    Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 04:59:27 PM EST

    none

    I've never gotten past the attempt to make reservations at the French Laundry.  Politeness counts for points, and I'm unwilling to deal with a restaurant that is unwilling to be polite to me.  I like Emile's and Chez Panisse.  Chez TJs didn't impress.  And LaFondue is lovely for a romantic meal.

    Thalia

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